What are the rules re exercise??

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Hey everyone
Just wanted to clarify are there any rules on how long it is acceptable to be outside exercising?
I live in NE London in a converted flat, no access to outside space. I have been going out for a walk with the kids, usually before 9.30. Walking for about 5k over the marshes.
Then later on in the day, about Dusk, I have been going for a 5-7k run by myself. Always observing the social distancing rules, only going out with my children or husband, or alone, never meeting anyone outside our family. But I’ve started to see things appear online that suggest you should be out for less than an hour a day. I haven’t been able to find any official guidance stating this so wanted to clarify on here? Any advice appreciated.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras the French government has allowed this. They've done the research and permitted it. I hope the UK follow. You seem to be saying that only the rules you agree with are the ones that are correct. You're no different from anyone else who doesn't agree with a rule and argues against it.

Yes, sorry, "guidance" as @Rolla says.

Hooves - France has some of the toughest lockdown rules so why do you think they have done this? Because Autistic people are 'special' and it shouldn't apply to them?

No, Governments don't give a shit about that. They've done it because they've had so many cases of Autistic people becoming a physical DANGER to themselves and their families to the point emergency services such as Police and paramedics need to be called.

Which drains those emergency services in a time of national crisis. So it makes more sense to allow them to be taken for a drive or whatever it takes to stop them harming themselves and others.

@YgritteSnow

I think the rules need to be applied across the board. I don't see why one group can claim exception.

Many other groups could claim equally valid reasons for exemption, so where do you draw the line?

People with autism can go out but suicidal people who need to go out, can't?

Read NewYearNewJob123's post.

A friend of mine has closed her business because she is so scared of catching the virus.
She won’t go to the supermarket for the same reason.
She is constantly on Facebook pleading with people to stay at home and posting pictures of people who are not doing so.
She is also walking her dogs multiple times a day because she’s not near anyone and says they need to be walked 4/5 times a day.
A clear case or someone picking and choosing then the rules apply to them

NewYearNewJob123

And everyone else who might be a risk to themselves by being cooped up? Can they be an exception?

How about those recovering from major surgery - heart bypass for example? My dad had to walk every day, longer and longer distances in order to not develop serious complications. Are those special cases?

Also the equality act 2010 still applies.

I use exercise to control my pain. Can't do that now so I've doubled my opiate pain medication. Likely I will have to increase it again. Now at risk of opiate addiction. Can.people like me have an exemption?

Also the equality act 2010 still applies.

Yes, to lots of us

Here's an example Hooves. I once tried to assess an Autistic person who was in mental distress because their circumstances/routine had changed. They physically attacked me and when the Dr I was with tried to protect me, he attacked him too. Me and his Mum ended up trying to drag him off as he repeatedly smashed the Drs head on the floor but he was too strong.

He tired after a bit and me and the Dr were able to run out of the house and call 999. When they arrived 4 Police officers were unable to subdue him even after using incapicitant spray and had to resort to extreme physical force which caused injury to him and them. They then had to arrest him and he ended up being transferred to a secure hospital.

I have PTSD from that, as does the Dr. Which has taken up NHS resources plus the Police resources and costs and a hospital admission.

There is nothing to stop others who believe they have exceptional need asking.

If you’re a fit, healthy, mobile adult who likes to run for general health/fitness reasons then there are plenty of exercises you can do indoors to continue that for now.

Thankfully those that think like you don't appear to be in charge @Hearhoovesthinkzebras. I'm not being nasty when I say that. I'm genuinely relieved.

@NewYearNewJob123 has explained it perfectly. A clear and consistent need in this area has been identified and acted on. I am thankful for that but not particularly surprised at the wails of "but its not fair!" I have two children with autism and you sadly are far from being alone in thinking that special allowances should not be made.

I just don't think that you have a monopoly on special need.

How about those caring for a spouse with Alzheimer's disease who are used to going out for a walk or to the day centre for respite?

Those with mental health needs who are not coping and may start self harming or become suicidal?

Those of us now becoming dependent on higher doses of opiates because our other pain control methods have been removed?

Those who need intense physio in order to recover from major surgery?

Why aren't those groups just as worthy of special exemptions?

There is nothing to stop others who believe they have exceptional need asking.

This.

Why aren't those groups just as worthy of special exemptions?

Some of them probably are. Although they're not really 'special exemptions' - just that what is a 'reasonable excuse' for some people in specific circumstances doesn' apply to everyone.

Exactly Errol and if everyone who has a good reason applies then we might as well end lockdown because so many people would be out and about that it would be pointless.

The difference Hooves, which has already been pointed out, is the risk to others and drain on already overwhelmed emergency services.

As I said, France has really tough lockdown rules which they've had to relax for people with Autism BECAUSE of the number of incidents of extreme violence necessitating emergency services including FIRE FIGHTERS in some cases, presumably to use hoses to subdue when Police have been unable to.

In a pandemic, Governments don't give a shit if anyone Autistic or not, harms themselves quietly or if anyone needs more meds or physio or respite or is struggling and needing help.

What they DO give a shit about is when large numbers of emergency services staff are tied up trying to subdue an Autistic person in a violent episode and then possibly going off sick due to injury or trauma.

They then have to find somewhere for that person to be placed. They can't just calm down and be sent home because it'll happen again if it's a reaction to not being able to go out for their usual walk or whatever else disruption caused the violent event.

So they have to go to a secure unit, prison (depending on who they assaulted), hospital etc. Which is a further drain on resources.

So it makes sense to say they can be taken out for a drive or go for a long walk or to their local park if that's going to avoid the above.

It's not Governments being kind or saying some people are 'special' and some not. Nor do they probably care that much about the Autistic person themselves. It's protecting their resources and saving money. Which is now more important than ever.

The OP is asking whether they are allowed out twice a day, not whether they should be. The answer is that the legislation which has been passed in parliament does not include a time limit or frequency of exercise. But clearly the less you are out, the less chance of bumping into someone you know, forgetting about the distance and having a little chat. Since the 70% of the population who would apparently have lived life under the Stasi are calmoirig for more rules, I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Everyone bangs on about Italy's rules, not about Sweden's lack of them.

And not all autistic people will do that.

Equally some mentally ill people will behave like that. Some people with dementia will behave like that. Some drug addicts high on god knows what will act like that.

Where's the line? Seriously, how many people with autism are going to have a meltdown so severe that the police and fire brigade are going to be called in to subdue them? Quite sure there will be equal numbers with other conditions if that's the measure you are applying.

Everyone bangs on about Italy's rules, not about Sweden's lack of them.

Way too early to judge how good Sweden's approach is and anyway, Sweden has far less people in a much bigger country than we do so not comparable

Err, enough that France with lockdown measures far greater than ours have HAD to take action Hooves.

It's not a measure I'M applying. It's what the Government of an entire nation with very strict lockdown has decided is 100% NECESSARY based on incidents in their country, of which they will be more aware of than the regular person since they're you know, the Government that has to be able to justify what it does.

Is critical thinking difficult for you? Why else do you think they've done it?

Be interested to see who else they give exemptions too. Maybe you could link to where you found this out?

"Seriously, how many people with autism are going to have a meltdown so severe that the police and fire brigade are going to be called in to subdue them?"

Well obviously a lot in France.

Remember many families were already for years on the edge of not coping with the violence. The current circumstances has made the anxiety and so violence ramp up.
If people aren't calling the police they will be calling social services which will also involve an enormous number of staff and many children and adults needing to be placed elsewhere.