Coronavirus, why arnt people disscussing this issue. Please help.

[Goddess1234]

Hi everyone, I hope your all well and safe. Ive never posted before, but I've been following like everyone else the developments over the last few months of covid 19. As of yet the government have said as its a new disease they still don't know much about it, thinking that it affected the elderly or people with respiratory issues. As of recent events we now know its not just the elderly and vulnerable people. Its our younger and our elder generation who are healthy with no health pre health conditions who are contracting this disease and many are dying within days or weeks. Some people say when they contract it, they have mild symptoms who are healthy. Other people who have no conditions are saying its like the devil pressing on them. Those who say they have recoved from the disease have said that they still feel weak with respiratory problems. The government have said its not flu. Seasonal flu does unfortunately kill hundreds of people a year. This is no flu. It is killing people who are perfectly healthy. There not just contracting the disease and recovering, many are. But as you can see thousands arnt across the world. Someone I spoke to recently said to me, we've hadcvmany deaths of seasonal flu. But we don't shut down whole countries across the world. Something doesn't make sense to me. Sorry if I'm going on a bit. My main issue is this. Why are healthy people dying within days of feeling unwell, to dying within days or a week. No one on the news or internet is reporting this, this is diustubing and worrying. Please can someone answer for me. Thank you. X

It's the contagiousness and the fact that people can spread it easily with no symptoms that make it worse than the flu. And like others have said , it will overwhelm our NHS if social distancing not adhered to. Healthy people also die of flu but I guess it's not reported like this as this is new and unknown and we have to get on top of it so the rate of infection is less than one person infected by another person (rather than doubling!)

1. media all over the world are blowing this out of proportion
2. Where the fuck have you been sine January, Boris?
3. I’m just waiting for the dead to return to life and it’s proper The Walking Dead.

There's no need to be rude, I was simply asking, a question to anyone who would read this post. I don't think its a conspiracy or an alien attack, and that no one else sees the news apart from myself. My niece works in the NHS. And myself am a carer. I fully understand the hard work of the nhs, and those poor nurses that have died and all the people access the world who have lost their lives. I'm not very good at putting my point accross, and maybe sounded like I was the only one that knew? That's not how I meant to word it. I just wanted someone to help me understand some people who are healthy. Which has been reported in the news are passing so suddenly. Sorry.

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Blossomad great post.
Thank you 🙏

Goddess you have no need to be sorry.

I found this article quite informative:
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51979654

Word from hospital staff is that the more exposure the worse it affects you (which makes sense). Secondary people to catch it in your home get it worse, and nurses and doctors seem to have it worse.
Limit your exposure as much as possible. Sadly NHS staff cannot do this.

Waterlego thank you

On thing to consider is that this virus in incredibly contagious. Very few people in the UK have been tested, so when we look at the death rate compared to the rate of those infected, it looks really bad. It looks as though a high % of people who have the disease die from it. This is unlikely to be the case though, as there must be many tens or hundreds of thousands of people at home who have or have had the virus, and who have recovered or are recovering. None of these people have been tested (although there is now an app which is attempting to gather data from the population). When you consider this, you can see that the proportion of people dying from CV is a tiny number compared to how many people have/have had the virus.

No problem Goddess. I worry a lot too and wish I understood more about the virus and the statistics, but even those who are experts are still trying to understand it all.

There is no need to apologise goddess.

Stress is making some people snarky. And others are just snarky normally.

It’s difficult to know why seemingly healthy people are dying. We are accustomed to the idea of ‘survival of the fittest’ and it’s more shocking when seemingly fit and well people become ill and die very rapidly.

It’s possible people have undiagnosed medical issues. It’s also possible that some people are genetically more susceptible to developing life threatening reactions to this particular virus. Some people’s immune system reacts so severely they develop what’s called a cytokine storm, which is very serious. You can’t predict who those people will be so it may be something random in our genetics whereby some people are at higher risk.

But it’s just too soon to know for sure.

OP because everybody is an individual, so not everybody reacts the same way to the same infection. This is actually a good thing otherwise humans wouldn't have been able to populate the entire globe.

Something else I read (but don’t know for certain if this is a factor or not), is that someone may not have a ‘health condition’ but they may be obese and/or a smoker and/or have slightly high blood pressure, all of which may reduce their body’s ability to fight the illness, but which may not be considered ‘health conditions’, so they may be reported as someone with no health conditions but may not actually be that healthy, if that makes sense.

It’s what happens. The vast majority if those that die will be older or have health issues. But a tiny percentage of healthy and younger people will die inexplicably. Every death is tragic and not all can be explained.

The media will report all the outliers which will make them seem more common than they are, and they stick in people’s minds.

The hospitals have younger people dying, hopefully because the older people are staying home and not getting infected-this is part of the strategy.

We have no control over what happens, we can only be responsible ourselves and follow the advice and sit it out.

Flu always kills otherwise healthy people. This is much more contagious than normal strains.

You should be more worried about the number of people having treatment cancelled who will die, not from Coronavirus. They won’t make the statistics.

If you are In a situation and think “Am I in the wrong because I’m being too restrictive” YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

I think those are reported as underlying heath conditions - certainly morbid obesity is, as is hypertension. Smoking probably not specifically but if someone has chronic bronchitis or copd as a result then it probably is reported as an underlying condition.

But cardiovascular fitness is important - your heart must take the strain if your lungs aren’t working well and if your heart isn’t in good shape then if you get severe symptoms it may mean you’re then at higher risk. Which is why my daily walk is brisk! I am not cardiovascularly fit!!

Why are people so rude on here?

Sadly, flu does also kill a small number of young, healthy people, as do other illnesses. It's just not as reported in the media but it happens.

MMN I wasn’t sure if they were considered underlying health conditions- thank you for clarifying.

MMN I love my exercise but usually I’m all about the weights. I hate pure cardio but I’ve ramped it up a bit now to keep the blood pumping!

Maybe part of what Goddess meant was that a lot of people in this situation might start out with the attitude of "well it only kills old people over the age of x" or "well it only kills people with these kinds of conditions already" as a way of giving themselves a logical and therefore soothing understanding - especially if they / their family/friends do not fall into those categories (or even if they do, they feel they can be extra vigilant and take extra precautions and therefore feel more in control).
But then to their surprise perfectly healthy/young people start to die and that makes them feel very anxious.
And at this stage that is the very point- there IS so much the authorities dont know about this.
And that is why, not only to give the NHS time to prepare itself for the onslaught of patients, but also for furious medical research to be given every chance to see if it can find out as much as possible about how this virus works and how to kill it.
I don't think OP's question was wrong I think she was just saying "I feel anxious" and she won't be alone in that.

Thank you to everyone who has been kind enough share there advice and to help me understand this a bit more. X

Hi OP
Please don't feel bad - I know what you mean and had the same conversation with someone today - as I was starting to get anxious myself (I have an inhaler but I am also plus-sized). I think because it was being sold as affecting elderly/those with underlying conditions in the media that the anomalies/outliers - the younger victims and those whose relatives are insisting had no underlying conditions have greater shock value and are being focused upon heavily now.
I was still trying to understand how it could vary from asymptomatic to death on such a wide spectrum, how those told to self isolate at home were becoming compromised so quickly when in other cases I had heard it was biphasic/taking several weeks to succumb.
That and disparity between symptoms/people testing negative who thought they might have had it - all of that makes it harder to deal with as it feels random and the lack of certainty/control is very hard, especially as some details eg air borne or not, have had different reporting. I was reading about viral loads and also about how good your immunity system is might lead to cytokine storm. I worry - of course I do, I have two kids and buck stops with me for them - but I am trying to just chill out with them and make each day count as none of us know when our time is up.
All you can do my love is a risk assessment for you - finding a balance in what you read and do, keeping hand washing and keeping trips to a minimum: there's very little else to be done and worrying about it will make it worse for your mental health.

We don't like to contemplate the basic fact that certain infectious diseases kill. We want to 'other' it - it only happens to other people - the old, the infirm.

The idea that if kills about 1% of everyone (except the very young) is uncomfortable, so we suppress it, and concentrate instead on the group's where it kills >1% as if that somehow cancels out how often a bad case happens and what it can do to anyone

Bubblebu thank you so much. Your words are exactly what I meant to say in my first post x , as I said I am not good at wording things. I drive my family crazy.