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I don't need you to clap for us.

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SuperlativeScrubs · 02/04/2020 12:18

I don't need to be clapped for doing my job. There is a whole list of things that I need and clapping at the door isn't one of them.

What i need is to be given professional recognition with a payrise and better working conditions. All the therapists, physios and pharmacists need what I need. All the students aspiring to become nurses need to be given back their bursaries. All the HCA's and assistants working their asses off alongside us need payrises, professional regulation and recognition and better routes into nursing where a full time degree is impossible.

The forgotten Laboratory staff who do the actual testing for things like Covid-19, blood tests and other essential diagnostics (no, it isn't your doctor who does the actual diagnosing) need the same as us and their support staff need the same as ours. They could also do without people telling them they don't count as keyworkers because they "don't work on the wards" Hmm

The PA's, office workers, medical clerks, clinical coders, receptionists, who keep the tons and tons of paperwork in order for us because none of us have time need to be treated with far more respect, by the public and their colleagues. They are putting their health in danger too.

The hospitality staff who feed us all, the porters who move equipment and notes and all kinds of requests from department to department, the maintenance team who make sure everything from medical equipment to electricity to the ceilings aren't falling apart, the cleaners who are fighting the spread of infection from one part of hospital to the next, they need more pay and support and respect too. They are the forgotten ones. Without them the hospital would not be able to function safely.

And the mortuary staff, who at the end of the line are overloaded with infected patients while trying desperately to support the bereaved who can't even view their own loved ones during their grief, need to be respected day in day out instead of being told that there is not enough funding for them to run efficiently.

And you know what? These are things you damn well could be doing when there isn't a national heath crisis.

So instead of clapping, fight for our rights. Sign our petitions for better working conditions, effective PPE and pay. Stop overloading A&E for minor ailments. Stop treating the domiciliary and hospitality staff like they mean nothing. Stop yelling at receptionists doing their job. Stop telling Lab staff the hospital could run without them.

Stop clapping and actually do something to help, regardless of whether there is a pandemic or not.

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Hoolawoolatoola · 02/04/2020 15:50

My nine year old didn't clap, but he has written to our MP to ask how NHS workers will be supported psychologically during and after the pandemic
My then 8 year old assisted Rishi Sunak in drafting a report supporting the creation of a retail bond market for small and medium-sized enterprises.
Children really are the future.

Ellapaella · 02/04/2020 16:02

As a nurse I would rather everyone who claps put their efforts behind creating a merry stink about the fact that staff are still being pushed into working in areas with highly infective patients and not being given the correct protective equipment. Not only are we putting our own lives at risk but also those of all the other patients we subsequently come into contact with the same shift.
A junior doctor in my hospital is in ITU because he was assisting an operation on a positive patient and wasn't given the correct mask or gown/goggles to wear.
Petition for us and help us to hold them government and PHE accountable for downgrading the guidelines - that's what we really need right now.
Everyday we hear on the news that the government are working on it, this is simply not true and only half the story. The problem is them downgrading guidelines when supplies were low.
Our unions tell us one thing and our hospital Trust leaders tell us another. It's chaos. Some staff are also being threatened with disciplinary action for speaking out about it. It's an absolute scandal.

fussychica · 02/04/2020 16:20

Well said. I agree totally with The OP though the first round was a lovely gesture and I know was appreciated by many but no need to keep it going.
Partner of DS is a nurse in A&E. When I talk to her about the current situation I am really scared for her. The lack of appropriate PPE is a scandal.
People say they need a medal for their service. No they need protection, decent pay and working conditions and not to be taken for granted.
If key workers are just that we should treat them well wherever they work and whatever their role. It's only now some people realise the worth of these people. When this is over I really hope that their value continues to be appreciated but unfortunately I doubt itSad

MaidenMotherCrone · 02/04/2020 16:35

I've shared it Op. I've written to my MP and copied your post into the letter. He's a Tory though so......

BackInTime · 02/04/2020 16:52

Maybe we should all stand on our doorsteps (at a safe distance) when 8 o’clock arrives and have a protest bellow NHS TESTING NOW! NHS TESTING NOW! ...

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This 100%

goodname · 02/04/2020 17:32

Could not agree more

QueenOfPain · 02/04/2020 17:37

Another NHS bod who doesn’t need clapping, just stop voting conservative and stay in your house.

SuperlativeScrubs · 02/04/2020 17:54

@MaidenMotherCrone Thank you very much. I am writing to my own MP too.

We absolutely need PPE and better protection in this. I am hopeful that moving forward, when all this is over, the attitude of the public and the government will change towards ALL of us listed as keyworkers, but I highly doubt it.

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ArbitraryNameChange · 02/04/2020 17:55

100% agree.

ShootEmUpSarsaparilla · 02/04/2020 17:59

Thankyou OP for saying far more succinctly what my angry brain can’t coherently get together.

And thankyou for mentioning a very niche department that nobody wants to think about that I am a part of. Sometimes so many of us are forgotten.

CoffeeRunner · 02/04/2020 18:04

Agreed. As an NHS nurse I find the clapping uncomfortable at best.

As you say, there are plenty of things we need. A clap isn't one of them.

Although I do feel like a mean spirited bitch for saying that.

Laaf80 · 02/04/2020 18:13

For those who want to show support - you can donate to one of the many online crowd funding for the NHS.

Judging by my SM last week, if everyone who clapped gave a quid then a decent amount of money could be raised for PPE, counselling, biscuits or whatever they need right now.

For what’s its worth I was berated by a neighbour for not clapping. The same one who usually treats A&E like a regular day trip.

NemophilistRebel · 02/04/2020 18:14

Totally agree

Laaf80 · 02/04/2020 18:16

Here is a fund that another Mumsnetter posted www.gofundme.com/f/help-them-help-us

And OP you are spot on.

SuperlativeScrubs · 03/04/2020 09:12

@ShootEmUpSarsaparilla I have worked in various roles in the NHS since I started working, including labs and admin, so I understand the struggle of being forgotten. No one outside of the NHS seems to get just how many hidden staff there are, or understand the importance of other departments. Nursing is literally the surface of a HUGE multi-role organisation. Without all the others the Nursing wouldn't happen.

@Laaf80 Thank you for sharing! There are plenty of crowdfunds to donate to if you have the money and plenty that can be done if you don't, from things as simple as clicking a change.org button to making and cooking and donating. There is no excuse at all.

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SuperlativeScrubs · 03/04/2020 09:13

And this - " if everyone who clapped gave a quid then a decent amount of money could be raised for PPE" is an excellent point.

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chocolatesaltyballs22 · 03/04/2020 09:19

I'd be happy to give more than a quid - where do we send it?!

PS I know Joe Wicks can be a bit of a twat but good on him for giving his YouTube advertising revenue to the NHS.

bellinisurge · 03/04/2020 09:31

I do it because my neighbours do it and I don't want to stand out. I do it because it's a bit of fellow feeling with my neighbours which I'm not good at. I'm completely aware that NHS workers might find it pathetic.

ElasticFirecracker · 03/04/2020 09:35

@SuperlativeScrubs Well said.

PertEllaTitsahoy · 03/04/2020 09:37

potionqueen yep, and it's worth repeating

Let’s not forget all the clapping Tory MPs did in 2017 when the nhs pay increase was outvoted by them

MerryDeath · 03/04/2020 09:44

exactly. a whatsapp group I'm in, full of conservative voters, all letting everyone know what they did at 8pm. boils my piss it's all i can do to not start a row (not a whatsapp group i can engage anyone in a debate!)

Midnight0 · 03/04/2020 09:44

100% OP.

Cornettoninja · 03/04/2020 09:50

You’re missing the point and I’m not sure if it’s deliberate or not. People generally know and understand the short comings and dangers for essential workers and NHS staff right now and they want to show appreciation personally that despite that you’re still trying to use your skills to help us.

The average person can’t do much more than they are and most people are trying to do the right thing (through self preservation granted). Many hundreds of thousands of people have voted in vein against this government and have been outspoken about the many glaringly obvious failings. Why are you casting them into the group that doesn’t give a shit?

It’s fine if you don’t feel particularly moved by any of it and are too tired of the anger and frustration of fighting every day to do your job safely and properly but your anger and frustration is aimed at the wrong people.

I work in the nhs (non-clinical) and how precisely how bad it is and the expectations on me and my colleagues at the moment are abhorrent given our relatively innocuous roles that have un-utilised flexibility that management refuse to employ but would increase our safety threefold. Those claps weren’t for me but I did join in for my colleagues and the organisations, paid and voluntary, supporting my elderly vulnerable father 100 miles away along with everybody who keeps turning up in any public facing role at the moment.

I can’t storm Parliament or raid the docks for supplies but I can express my gratitude.

SuperlativeScrubs · 03/04/2020 11:25

The average person has access to internet at the very least and can click a link and click a button on a petiton. They can also abide by social distancing guidelines by not standing on their doorstep a half foot away from their neighbors clapping.

And i'm not lumping in the people who have actually done something to help keyworkers through this. But the fact is a large majority of the people clapping think they are doing something to help when they aren't and their are thousands of practical things they could have done before this even happened, let alone now.

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mummywiththetummy · 03/04/2020 11:44

Well said.

Have been in the same department for nearly 8 years and I’ve seen the same old names come in and out for appointments, re-referring themselves once discharged, demanding care they don’t need, missing appointments, cancelling last minute, giving us all grief. Then suddenly this happens and they are all over the community pages singing our praises. How about once this is all over stop abusing the NHS!
Both my husband and I work in the NHS and our sister in law has never EVER said a word to us about working for NHS. Yet all over her Facebook it’s now videos of them getting the kids to draw pictures and clap for us. Honestly makes me cringe. It’s like “Look at us, aren’t we so kind and wonderful”. No.