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CORONA - I feel so thick

96 replies

louise5754 · 01/04/2020 08:24

We have followed the rules. Not been out etc.

However I've just realised....

I touch any Post / Letters / Parcels /Shopping / Food etc. (Basically everything that comes into the home) and I've not been washing / wiping it down or washing my hands afterwards.

I've even signed for a couple of bits just this week with the hand held computer and pen thing.

I feel like such an idiot!!!

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Melroses · 01/04/2020 16:50

Ah good - I was a bit worried about someone tackling a tall fridge freezer on their own.

Menora · 01/04/2020 16:52

I haven’t washed anything except my hands

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 16:57

@Menora that is all you need to do so do not fret

Jeeperscreepers69 · 02/04/2020 18:11

Thats what we have that thing called a immune system for.....

Richtea1234 · 02/04/2020 18:31

I’m amazed people have not figured out that ANYTHING that comes in the house could be contaminated.
Procedure:

  1. Bring shopping into house. Keep everyone out of kitchen while you are doing this and don’t let anyone help.
  2. All tins, jars etc in sink (or bath) and spray with anti-bac cleaner. Leave for four minutes.
  3. Packets bread, card board packs etc - spray kitchen roll directly with anti-bac and wipe everything or if waterproof, wash with washing up liquid then rinse. Obvs, meats etc rinse packs with cold water, you don’t want to spoil meat.
Now wash hands and wash off sprays of jars, tins etc dry and put in cupboards.
  1. Wipe shopping bags and take anti-bac with you to car. Place bags in boot, then wipe door handles inside/outside, boot opening thingy, gear stick, handbrake etc
  2. Come back in house and wash hands thoroughly.
  3. Clean front door handles, gate (if you have one) patches etc
  4. De bacterialise (is that a word?) bath and sink used to clean items.
  5. If you have been around lots of shoppers, heard coughing, put clothes straight in washing machine and shower.
Military exercise but list anything you run out of and do weekly shop to avoid exposure. This means you and your family can happily take anything out of cupboards knowing it’s safe.
Toomuchtrouble4me · 02/04/2020 18:37

You don’t need to wash your shopping or your post. You do need to wash your hands

Ignore that and wash your shopping in hot soapy water, gently remove insides from boxes of cereal etc and throw outer box, transfer bread into container and dispose of outer packaging- outside, wash surfaces, wash hands. open mail if you need to but leave it for 48hrs if you cant. If you do open it, read it, store it somewhere it won't be touched and dispose of envelopes, outside, wash.
Imagine that the virus is like glitter, on everything that comes into your home and you have to get rid of it all.

GinPin2 · 02/04/2020 18:43

At our allotments we have many Covid rules that we obey. We are in the SouthWest ( Weymouth area) with the lowest spread of Covid19. Today we witnessed a delivery of artificial grass from London !!!!!

The delivery driver started off well social distancing but by the end of the delivery, the couple were laughing and chatting to the delivery man. The delivery was signed for by the couple !!!
We could not believe it.

GinPin2 · 02/04/2020 18:44

The delivery was to a local house as our allotments form part of a new housing estate.

Alpal1 · 02/04/2020 20:14

Omg An American fridge freezer on your drive?
Mine took three men to move, but it should have wheels, so that may help ....
Good luck !

clareken260 · 02/04/2020 20:29

Husband is a postman. He said today that they are instructed to hand parcels over at arm's length. Heaven help them and the customer if it is heavy.

Duchessofblandings · 02/04/2020 20:32

Very surprised you e been asked to sign for anything. Worth an e-mail.
We’re isolating, vulnerable family members, so stuck a note on the door a while ago saying please just leave parcels etc. on doorstep and everyone has given the thumbs up through the window and done so,

grannieali · 02/04/2020 23:55

Most of this is OTT. The virus does not last on letters or cardboard boxes for 72 hours. I am 83, live alone, nobody comes into the house. I do not feel the need to be washing my hands every five minutes.

amispeakingenglish · 03/04/2020 01:00

Even before all this I never sign those disgusting things. Luckily recently I have psoriasis on my palms and sometimes it looks pretty gross, bloody & split so I just show my hands and people back off!! Our delivery drivers leave on doorstep and go back to gate until door opens. I had a right misery postman the other day, who refused to shut our gate due to situation, yet he was handling all the post & had gloves on. Today had a Clarks delivery myhermes & a really cheery guy. I am designated post opener and I spray with Dettox all in one and then wash my hands, leaving all packaging by front door.

JRUIN · 03/04/2020 09:47

Wow I'd go crazy if I was as OTT as some of you. I don't wash, clean, spray anything that comes into the house. I do however wash my hands after having to touch anything I consider germy.Just like I always have Hmm

luckylorca · 03/04/2020 10:23

Why can’t delivery men just take a photo (from a distance) of the customer holding/next to the new product they have just delivered?

louise5754 · 03/04/2020 21:15

@Alpal1 husband is quite strong. He's in the military so managed quite well actually.

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peterlon1 · 04/04/2020 08:14

@JRUIN I am with you and I am high risk but i do the most sensible thing and read, amazing what information is out there from scientists etc about transmission via inanimate objects. @Richtea1234 just read what you do and then sit back and think logically about it. Panarnoia comes to mind, all you have to do is just wash your hands often problem solved. by the time your jar of jam has sat in cupboard for 4 hours there isn't enough virus and it do do you any harm. read this link and realise how silly you are being. bet you didn't do it before hand and just a many ppl die from flu in first 3 months of the year every year but you never hear about it cos it is a common virus. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/26/dont-panic-about-shopping-getting-delivery-or-accepting-packages/

peterlon1 · 04/04/2020 08:26

Just in case you cannot get to it.
By Joseph G. Allen
March 26, 2020 at 12:10 p.m. GMT
PLEASE NOTE
The Washington Post is providing this story for free so that all readers have access to this important information about the coronavirus. For more free stories, sign up for our daily Coronavirus Updates newsletter.
Joseph G. Allen is an assistant professor of exposure and assessment science and director of the Healthy Buildings Program at Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
A recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine is making people think twice about how they might be exposed to covid-19 if they open a box delivered by UPS, touch packages at the grocery store or accept food delivery.
The risk is low. Let me explain.
First, disease transmission from inanimate surfaces is real, so I don’t want to minimize that. It’s something we have known for a long time; as early as the 1500s, infected surfaces were thought of as “seeds of disease,” able to transfer disease from one person to another.
In that new NEJM study, here’s the finding that is grabbing headlines: The coronavirus that causes covid-19 “was detectable . . . up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.”
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The key word here is “detectable.”
Yes, the virus can be detected on some surfaces for up to a day, but the reality is that the levels drop off quickly. For example, the article shows that the virus’s half-life on stainless steel and plastic was 5.6 hours and 6.8 hours, respectively. (Half-life is how long it takes the viral concentration to decrease by half, then half of that half, and so on until it’s gone.)
Now, let’s examine the full causal chain that would have to exist for you to get sick from a contaminated Amazon package at your door or a gallon of milk from the grocery store.
In the case of the Amazon package, the driver would have to be infected and still working despite limited symptoms. (If they were very ill, they would most likely be home; if they had no symptoms, it’s unlikely they would be coughing or sneezing frequently.) Let’s say they wipe their nose, don’t wash their hands and then transfer some virus to your package.
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Even then, there would be a time lag from when they transferred the virus until you picked up the package at your door, with the virus degrading all the while. In the worst-case scenario, a visibly sick driver picks up your package from the truck, walks to your front door and sneezes into their hands or directly on the package immediately before handing it to you.
Even in that highly unlikely scenario, you can break this causal chain.
In the epidemiological world, we have a helpful way to think about it: the “Sufficient-Component Cause model.” Think of this model as pieces of a pie. For disease to happen, all of the pieces of the pie have to be there: sick driver, sneezing/coughing, viral particles transferred to the package, a very short time lapse before delivery, you touching the exact same spot on the package as the sneeze, you then touching your face or mouth before hand-washing.
In this model, the virus on the package is a necessary component, but it alone is not sufficient to get you sick. Many other pieces of the pie would have to be in place.
So this is what you can do to disassemble the pie — to cut the chain.
You can leave that cardboard package at your door for a few hours — or bring it inside and leave it right inside your door, then wash your hands again. If you’re still concerned there was any virus on the package, you could wipe down the exterior with a disinfectant, or open it outdoors and put the packaging in the recycling can. (Then wash your hands again.)
What about going to the grocery store? The same approach applies.
Shop when you need to (keeping six feet from other customers) and load items into your cart or basket. Keep your hands away from your face while shopping, and wash them as soon as you’re home. Put away your groceries, and then wash your hands again. If you wait even a few hours before using anything you just purchased, most of the virus that was on any package will be significantly reduced. If you need to use something immediately, and want to take extra precautions, wipe the package down with a disinfectant. Last, wash all fruits and vegetables as you normally would.
We should all be grateful for those who continue to work in food production, distribution and sales, and for all those delivery drivers. They’re keeping us all safer by allowing us to stay home. And, as I said, the risk of disease transmission from surfaces is real. We can never eliminate all risk; the goal is to minimize it — because we all will occasionally need to go grocery shopping and receive supplies in the mail.
But if you take basic precautions, including washing your hands frequently, the danger from accepting a package from a delivery driver or from takeout from a local restaurant or from buying groceries is de minimis. That’s a scientific way of saying, “The risks are small, and manageable.”

louise5754 · 04/04/2020 19:36

Hi all.

I'm becoming so fed up with DH.

He's gone to the shop everyday which is not needed plus he's not washed his hands.

Me and the kids have not left home for 2 1/2 weeks but him not following the rules could harm us.

I am a worrier so he's just telling me he's not walking near anyone then contradicts himself as says it's it possible.

My family have told me I must talk to him but he won't listen.

With his job he's used to being in remote locations following orders and when he's home he likes popping out when he can as he isn't gone much. He reckons people are being OTT but it's on the bloody news.

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Richtea1234 · 04/04/2020 22:15

@JRUIN paranoid is an interesting observation🙂
My hygiene standards have always been high, even prior to this current event. I up my standards to current levels when flu or bugs going around.
I’m making my own rules here about what I want in my home not seeking what different experts say, not because I necessarily disagree with them (though even they have different opinions). My decision is that I don’t want the virus, I also don’t want the virus in my cupboards in any form! My hands are cracked from so much washing even with hand cream. And my routine means I don’t have to wash my hands after handling anything because it’s already clean.
My neighbours followed the “guidelines” and I got a text this morning that they are both ill with the virus. I dropped off some shopping for them. The lady was in a bad way, though she is young so will hopefully make a speedy recovery. I also heard that a friend of a friend in 50’s passed away (though did have underlying issues). I would also like to point out that lots of adults have “underlying conditions” which include autoimmune issues which many people can have throughout a long and otherwise healthy life.
So what I’m am doing may take organisation and initial effort, but it also means being active and passes the time!
And my home feels clean and I am healthy so that’s a result. But each to their own. Stay healthy Smile

RuffleCrow · 04/04/2020 22:18

Relax, op. Vast majority of covid 19 infections come from spending 2 or more hours in close proximity with an infected person. You're extremely unlikely to catch it from a surface. Courtesy of whatever expert Radio 4 had on today.

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