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CORONA - I feel so thick

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louise5754 · 01/04/2020 08:24

We have followed the rules. Not been out etc.

However I've just realised....

I touch any Post / Letters / Parcels /Shopping / Food etc. (Basically everything that comes into the home) and I've not been washing / wiping it down or washing my hands afterwards.

I've even signed for a couple of bits just this week with the hand held computer and pen thing.

I feel like such an idiot!!!

OP posts:
peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:16

@rc22 with you all the way rest of it is just causing total panic and anxiety needlessly only about 4% of the population and that is including a percentage that are unawares, are really a severe risk, sorry to same I am one. I keep saying it! it is not the virus that kills it is the underlying health issues that get compromised that kill, if it was the virus that kills then 100% of the population would be a risk. and in that case I would agree with everything being done.

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:18

@Jaxhog no I think that is them just being lazy with you.

SignGrudgeBluebook · 01/04/2020 15:20

peterlon1 I can't get to read the link but if there is even a 0.1% risk, why would anyone take it? Infection control is part of my day job and there is a reason you see techs using fogging machines, wiping surfaces down and wearing PPE. Even if all you do is leave stuff out for the UV to get on it is a step in the right direction.

Posties and parcel deliverers touch gates, posts, doors and letterbox flaps endlessly.

If you do nothing else, spray your parcels and wear gloves when handling post.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 01/04/2020 15:21

@pickletickled - you don't need to leave them there for 2 weeks, 4 days should be enough. Tests done on the viability of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes CoViD-19 show that it's mostly dead after 72 hours on surfaces (after 4h on copper, 24h on cardboard and 72h on plastic and metal)

So 3 days would do it but you can leave it for 4 to be on the safe side. :)

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:28

@SignGrudgeBluebook ok the article is by a scientist if you go to the Washington Post and click on the first box you can then find it, but basically he is saying that to get it from something you handle then there are several pieces of a chain that have to fall into place exactly and for that to happen is very very very unlikely (can't say enough very's) they know the exact rate at which the virus starts to degrade and it goes down by half it's strength each time so by the time you either pick it up or collect if from the doorstep providing the first 2 or 3 pieces have occurred it is probably less than half it's strength.but basically the chances of you getting it from a letter/parcel/groceries or anything else you touch is very very very low. it is interesting reading.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2020 15:29

is not the virus that kills it is the underlying health issues that get compromised that kill,

There are a few young people who - as far as they or their families know - have no 'underlying health conditions' who are dying of this.

No one ought to be blasé.

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:34

@ThumbWitchesAbroad yes you have got it but also remember it is only detectable on the item that does not mean it is transmissible. and detectable could me just a trace not enough to harm a flea. and it goes down by half each period of time so if after 4 hrs on copper that may mean just a trace by hour 6 it could be gone.

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:38

not being blase but how do they know there was no underlying condition? because if you read Dr John Lee's report a top pathologist that is retired from the NHS once thay detect Covid 19 they put that down as the reason for death and no post mortem is done.

Camphillgirl · 01/04/2020 15:39

For my parcel delivery I wrote a sign saying leave behind dustbin at my risk and cellotaped it to window by door. When he arrived with parcel the driver took a photo of sign as his authority to leave where I indicated. no signature needed.

pickletickled · 01/04/2020 15:40

you don't need to leave them there for 2 weeks, 4 days should be enough
I'll consider it :)
Thank you

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 01/04/2020 15:43

You don’t need to wash your shopping or your post. You do need to wash your hands.

You don’t need to wash your shopping or your post. You do need to wash your hands.

You don’t need to wash your shopping or your post. You do need to wash your hands.

This.

Covid can live on surfaces, but the virus needs to get in to your body to make you ill.
DON’T eat your post.
DON’T touch your face, especially your nose, mouth or eyes, after touching your post
And DO wash your hands.

Amotherof6 · 01/04/2020 15:45

I have found that all delivery drivers and post workers have been great.
I have a sign on my front door - I have not been asked to sign for anything - they leave on the porch as per the sign.

A couple have rung the bell and I looked out of window and they shouted "I just need to see someone is home, no need to sign I will sign for you"... all works really well.

Perhaps try a sign?

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:46

look at the number of cases reported to the number of deaths world wide, now all apart from Finland i believe are taken from people hospitalised or tested as taken ill with symptoms and treat at a hospital. I reality no one knows how many people the world over (except Finland as they test all the population) how many people were/are infected with the virus and show(ed) no symptoms. this actually makes the percentage figures false because they are weighted to only those treated not those who caught the virus as a percentage of the whole population. dose that make sense?

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:47

@Al1Langdownthecleghole I love Love Love your post

cdtaylornats · 01/04/2020 15:55

The Spanish fulfilment centre in Madrid is a bit like Ryan Air describing Charleroi as Brussels. Only about an hour away.

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 15:55

As Dr John Lee says when they relax all the measures and we go back to some sort of normality, infections rates will probably start to rise again as those walking around asymptomatic will just pass it on, the virus like most of these viruses will not just go away MERs and SARS are still out there and they gave rises to Coronovirus Covid 19 their bigger cousin. And until a certain country stops eating things like Pangolin which is where most of these thing originate they will keep recurring and we will keep trying to find and antidote which hasn't yet happened, but it most likely will.

Lovemusic33 · 01/04/2020 15:59

No one should be asking you to sign for anything. All the deliveries I have had have been dropped on the door step, driver knocks and runs. Not had to sign for anything for 2 weeks now. Postman has been wearing gloves. I open mail then wash my hands.

FuzzyPuffling · 01/04/2020 16:00

I've just had a new vacuum cleaner delivered (the old one stopped working and it's a necessity!). Delivery driver left it at the end of the drive; I moved it onto my newly bleached porch (hand wash, hand wash) where it will sit until this evening when it will go into quarantine somewhere in the house/shed for several days.

Our post goes into a filing system....three separate files, where it is left for 4 days.

But we are a "shielding" household.

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 16:04

I often think that we have become too clean for our own good! as kids we used to play in all sorts of stuff and never got ill, now you only have to sneeze and the whole country get infected.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2020 16:09

I often think that we have become too clean for our own good! as kids we used to play in all sorts of stuff and never got ill, now you only have to sneeze and the whole country get infected.

That's too simplistic. While a bit of mud and being around animals may be good for our immune system, surely you realise that in past dirtier times populations were ravaged by diseases which are now (more or less) things of the past.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2020 16:11

And 'we never got ill' ... sure, those of us who are alive to tell the tale!
Infant and child mortality used to be appalling

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 16:17

yes i know what you are saying but i am talking about the excesses we now go to. and yes i am as guilty as everyone else, quite a bit of COPD in this direction but the late wife was a bad. however I still think that we have overdone it maybe a little too fast and not allowed everything else to catch up with us.

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 16:24

We are even cheating Mother Nature these days, she is there to protect our planet and we are doing our damnedest to destroy it. I think that is what saddens me the most that we are the cause of these viruses and what harm to the planet are they doing we cannot see? as stated earlier are humans meant to eat the likes of Pangolin?

Melroses · 01/04/2020 16:33

I've had 2 packages this morning.

I opened them, put the packaging in the recycling bin (not sure it will ever get collected Hmm) and then washed my hands.

First one - PO tracked appeared on the doorstep and postie just did a knock and run - no idea where he was.

Second - long awaiting Amazon book - deliverer left it under the door, rang the bell and told me where it was from halfway down the drive and we waved.

OP - do you have any help to get your freezer in the house? How big is it?

peterlon1 · 01/04/2020 16:38

wasn't OP that had freezer delivered was someone else and one of the guys helped her husband get it up the steps

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