New study says it’s airborne as well as droplet borne

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This is seriously worrying. A study has shown that the virus remains in the air hours after the Covid positive person has left. So this means going to the supermarket is ultra high risk even if you keep 2m apart. I haven’t been wearing a mask due to thinking if I kept 2m away from people I’d be ok. But I’m wearing one now!

Sorry it’s a daily mail link.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8171521/Coronavirus-does-spread-air-lingers-rooms-long-patients-left-study.html

I wish people would stop saying I wish they'd make their minds up

It's a new thing. How are they supposed to know totally after only 3 months!

Well I do wish they would make there minds up.

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I wish they would make their minds up.

This is pure idiocy.

It's a new virus and research is ongoing and advice will change.

Realise the information we are getting is highly uncertain to be accurate and the best thing you can do to protect yourself is be ultra ultra cautious.

You only have to look at Boris Johnson bragging he was shaking hands with CV19 patients and if you wash your hands it's fine to a couple of weeks later telling everyone to stay 2m apart to then stay int house.

I'd say the same about incubation periods and infection risk. SARS guidance recommends you stay away from people for 14 days after your symptoms have ended. Personally with this, if you think you've got it and you are thinking of having contact with members of your family, I'd do that rather than 7 or 14 days from your first contact.

It's pretty obvious from looking at Italy that this is more transferable than just dirty door handles or kissing. The number of cases and rate of spread would give a bit of a clue that there is something more infectious/contagious here than a common cold or flu.

*rather than 7 or 14 days from your first symptoms.

It can definitely aerosol in gatherings of people. In France, cases have been pinpointed as originating from an evangelical service for lent. In South Korea a fringe Christian group has been tested.

In both of these cases, there will have been people coughing, sneezing, shouting, singing, hugging etc, causing a lot of spit. Air travels in all directions. Apparently the forced out breath from others (eg singing) will then have let part of the water droplets spat out fall yet kept the virus from falling to the ground. It was then blown around the congregation through the singing, coughing etc.

Corona virus can be airborne, just like the flu and other viruses. It all depends on the humidity and the air flow. When the relative humidity is higher the water particles in the air bind to the virus making it heavier so it falls to the gound. If the relative humidity is too low it can hang in the air for hours.
That's why buildings like hospitals and care homes have humidification installed.
All the major outbreaks have been where the temperature has been between 2- 11c and the humidity has been low; the perfect environment for airborne travel.

this is a very interesting graph showing the temperature and humidity zones in relation to the outbreaks

And here's the blog

Sorry that this is from memory and hope its accurate
In China they studied CCTV footage of a man on a bus, who they believe must have caught the virus on the bus and that he must have caught it from the air because the person he caught it from, another passenger, had just previously not sat near where he sat and had not touched anything he did

This is an excellent interview

Great info thank you Baroness
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I'll link to some scientific studies tomorrow if anyone's interested, but I'm in a different time zone and need to ge to bed!

thanks, I'm interested☝️😊obviously get to bed first!
pretty late in my time zone too🤦🏼‍♀️my schedule has just completely gone to pot🤷🏼‍♀️

I can’t keep up with it.
The times today had a doctor saying it’s no more dangerous being outside as long as you’re not within 2 meters of someone for more than 15 minutes

It all seems so specific, but then there’s these reports and we are still being told it’s ok to shop

I’m not seeing anyone with masks on round here

It's a new virus and research is ongoing and advice will change.

Exactly. None of these “studies” can possibly have much scientific veracity as they can’t be based on anything other than a small sample set of data with differing variables.

The reality is, there is much we won’t learn about this virus for a long time yet. All they can do is share what people are learning as they go along.

um, India, 19 degrees & 76% humidity: they seem to have a little corona problem going on, even so.

I think it's ok to shop provided we stick to the guidelines
remember that you have to queue up in order to shop so anyone with active symptoms would be filtered out by this mechanism and they only allow a certain number of people in the store any one time so that would reduce the concentration of of potential virus particles,
Thing is we have to get food so we have to go as infrequently as possible.
I suppose we could in theory make all shopping online but we would need to have a well prepared plan in advance of an event like this and we were caught by surprise by this one, hopefully we will learn lessons for next time!

Maybe we'll have to live like this permanently, but will adjust and go about our business as normal whilst wearing hazmat suits and special masks😳

@BaronessBomburst does that theory not fall down with the number of cases in Iran and how it is spreading in the Middle East, as well as in Africa. That they haven’t had the same numbers could well be because they are behind the curve. Their first confirmed case wasn’t until 19th of February and yet they have the 6th highest number of cases, that’s despite testing fewer people. UK’s first case was almost a month before that but Iran has a far higher number of cases.

I’m just wondering if there is a correlation / causation issue with the extrapolation.

@flaxmeadow. Not sure if it’s the same one but I remember reading an article about a bus mass infection. So someone on a bus infected half the bus over the journey. There was a diagram showing where the infectees were sitting. Some were quite far away. Some people sat quite close weren’t infected. Everyone who wasn’t infected was wearing a mask and most of the infected people weren’t wearing masks. Think it was in korea.

I too struggle with this. I completely disagree with other posters who say : it's new, so they don't know yet.

That would be fine. What's not fine is when previous organisations seem to have stated, or commented, implying its a fact, that it is, or it isn't.

That's confusing. To the public. That is what shouldn't have happened.

We should all be wearing masks and protective eye wear in the supermarket IMO. I'm shielding a very vulnerable unwell partner and I'm wearing glasses mask and gloves in shops

mynamesmrdiggety

Because we are still allowed outside for exercise and to go to the dips or for medical care! 🤔

Aw for Fucksake more reasons to be a nervous frigging wreck