Schools Reopening?

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When do you honestly think it will happen? And when do you want it to happen?!

@DBML you posted a link to your contractual hours which no one is disputing, you can only teach when the schools are open.

You can work out for yourself that you get paid for the holidays. What is your salary, £xk, put that in a salary take home pay calculator which will show you your take home pay after tax and NI and this will match your take home pay and your wage slip. No deductions for unpaid holidays. Anyone else working a ‘term time only’ job, including teaching assistants and all other public sector workers will have a deduction made from their pay for the extra unpaid holidays. Teachers do not have any such a deduction.

Holidays? I work through most of mine.
Commute? Everyone commented, some from places 39 miles away.
Shorter hours?🤣🤣🤣🤣yeah we all finish at 3:30 don’t we? There aren’t enough hours to get stuff done in teaching, even if we worked 24 hours a day.

Commutes

"Once the peak eases estimated to be early to mid April, we will see the plateau, and by May we will be easing restrictions slowly."

Cornish, we are already in early April, and have not even begun the peak yet, so your timeline is way out.

I'm a teacher. I'd do anything required to help get things back to normal but realistically I think it will be a big shake up in the education system. No one knows when or how schools will resume.

@scubadive

Ohh! So you have no actual evidence. This is all based on your very clever working out and your personal experience of not being a teacher. Got you.

In that case I’ll just disregard everything you say as it’s meaningless.

@scubadrive for many teachers that is the working pattern we have always had. Leave home at 7am for a 30 minute drive to school. At desk working for 90 minutes before children arrive. Leave at 6pm when janitor locks up, repeat commute in reverse then have dinner. Start working again about 8 for another hour or so. Funnily enough I didn’t work these hours when I worked in other industries, especially not when I worked in a finance company after I graduated. But of course, it’s important to keep the ‘they only work 9-3 ‘ myth going.

Myself and my colleagues are working just now. Providing work for home just now and also manning our hub school, where we continue to be exposed to large groups of children and other adults. I’m not on some long holiday. Also working over Easter, so other people can get to do the jobs that we so desperately need them to do.

@refraction are you in England, if so what council are you under?

@scubadive

You still spouting the same nonsense?

Teachers pay is Pro Rata. Anyone saying otherwise is clueless. If your not a teacher stop talking about it.

@harrysnotter is not that I don’t like teachers, I don’t like their moaning and inflexibility.

Well I think that's a massive generalisation @scubadive and I would find that unfair in any circumstances, regardless of the group of people involved.

It's such a shame that this thread has been derailed so badly. Goady posts really do not show a poster in the best light and there are a fair few of them on this thread. It's a worrying time for everyone and I don't know anyone who doesn't actually want to get back to normal which will, of course, mean schools reopening.

There are a variety of ways in which teacher pay and conditions could - and IMO should - be managed so that the 'traditional' long summer break doesn't get in the way of the best option for both children and disease control.

As each return to school will promote a 'mini spike' of cases within 2 weeks, holiday could be broken up into shorter sections.

This could take the form of a few weeks in school, then 2 weeks off (so everyone who has to self-isolate during that period can recover), then another few weeks, then another two weeks, and repeat. So, for example, if this peak is managed and there is space in hospitals by, say, end June, teachers could have 2 weeks of 'holiday' just beforehand (like the end of the summer holiday - 2 weeks to get back into school and get organised), then we could have 3 weeks of term, bringing us to the normal end of term. Two weeks off, return to school for a another 3-4 week burst, 2 weeks off, then September term as normal. Same amount of leave, decent infection management. Any teachers within the 'highly vulnerable' list would provide ongoing online learning for those students who are too medically vulnerable to return to school in this initial phase.

I really don't think that protection of a full 6 week break is important at the moment.

@refraction are you in England, if so what council are you under?

Yes but I don't want to give my exact location. I am in the North East.

Iheartdonald, what would we do without people like you to tell us what to do?🤣

I am most definitely not an overgrown child. I’m 56, but I’ll pop on some fairy wings if you like.

My god there is so much bad attitude on here, it’s not surprising that some of us get a bad impression that lots of teachers moan, why can the pluses not be seen.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

You claim you work most of your holidays as do others often on here and yet when some on here suggest starting back in August there is an uproar.

Yes shorter commutes are often possible as there are lots of schools. If you work in industry the choice of work place is more limited, often head offices are in city Centers and so commuting takes longer. This is a fact, finding some colleagues who have chosen a school further away From their home does not negate this as a general plus point.

Yes hours are less, you only have to look round the staff car parks. Primary school teachers are mostly gone by 4pm, secondary school by 5pm. As a parent regularly picking up from after school clubs (usually externally provided at a cost) you see this on a daily basis and before you say, we take work home, so do many other people but they don’t get the flexibility to leave their office at 4pm to beat the rush hour and finish off at home. And taken with the holidays, the hours are less. I also worked in a school and only the head, Deputy and head of KS2 were ever there after 3.30pm.

And then there are the generous pension schemes which are another plus.

No one here is saying that teachers have it easy, I have posted previously that all jobs have pluses and minuses but why can teachers not acknowledge their pluses.

I leave about 6:00 pm. The staff car park is 3/4 full.

I arrive at 7:45am. It’s difficult to find a parking space. The car park is pretty much full. School starts at 9.

also worked in a school and only the head, Deputy and head of KS2 were ever there after 3.30pm.

Never happens in my secondary.

I really have no idea. There is very little talk of it, if any, so I can't imagine it's going to be anytime soon I feel like the lockdown is nowhere near over yet. X

Italy are reporting September just on the news.

So many variables to compare though.

Teachers do not have any such a deduction

You don’t need to have any deductions. Teachers are paid for 195 days working-it’s quite simple

I generally arrive at school at around 10 to 8. In a quite large car park, I usually get one of the last spaces. The cars that leave before 5 will tend to be those belonging to TAs.

Anyway, this is not what the thread should be about. For the record, I would MUCH prefer to be in school working normally at the moment. The current set-up is horrible for all concerned, in schools and everywhere else.

No one here is saying that teachers have it easy, I have posted previously that all jobs have pluses and minuses but why can teachers not acknowledge their pluses.

We are aware. I don't see other jobs having to be grateful though in contrast.

It's not that we aren't grateful either . We are just telling you that you are wrong on some things. Simple really.

Because if we acknowledge the any of the pluses it brings the teacher badgers out in force, so what’s the point?🤷🏼‍♀️

And the biggest plus is the kids. And we all acknowledge that!

Bashers!

So people are asking for “actual evidence”. I can provide this “actual evidence” with regard to me as an admin officer. The same formula is used for TAs in our LA. This is not my current salary it has gone up a tiny amount since this sheet.