Schools Reopening?

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When do you honestly think it will happen? And when do you want it to happen?!

@Pomegranatepompom it does always seem that teachers are quite rigid and not prepared to go the extra mile. Look what nhs workers are doing at the moment, working extra shifts, covering for colleagues on sick, working longer shifts as are many industries. There needs to be a real culture shift.

And quite rightly the NHS staff are being paid for all of this additional time.

Teachers are being expected to do it for free. But of course you don’t understand that and are trying to say we have 13 weeks of paid holidays.

I’m not a teacher but people whinging that others should work outside their contract are best ignored.

scubadive Everyone else in the UK has a standard 47 or 48 weeks at 37.5 hours. That is total rubbish. When you take a job you have a contract. If you work in local govt payroll you know very well that not everyone works 47 or 48 weeks, for a start off legally in the UK you are entitled to 5.6 weeks paid holiday a year, some of it is bank holidays some you take at other times depending on your contract. In local govt you get extra days for length of service. When I left my payroll job in local govt I got the 8 days public/bank holidays plus 6 weeks paid holiday, some of the extra was due to seniority and some to length of service.

The standard working week for white collar jobs in my local authority was 36.5 hrs.

I have had other staff working annualised hours, it isn't just teachers.

I find it quite worrying that you worked managing pay and you think this.

I’ve opened my school emails this morning.

Nothing about exams
Nothing about returning in June,

@cornishdreams1 I’m not sure teachers really hate their jobs, there is just a massive culture of them and us and I don’t know why. Teachers don’t seem to feel privileged to have the work life balance they do, it’s a case of the grass is always greener. I often think that they should all work in another sector before going into teaching, a few years of catching the 7.30am train into a city, finishes at 6.30/7pm, arriving home gone 8pm and doing this 47 weeks a year would put a new perspective on their teaching jobs, especially since other industry sectors don’t have such a moaning culture.

It is disturbing that they have the attitude they do, it is often passed down from senior staff to the new junior recruits and then they all become embittered in a perpetual cycle.

@cornishdreams1 The resounding feeling I have had reading this thread is how many teaching staff truly hate their jobs, and would happily stay locked inside forever if it meant they didn't need to return to school.

I don't think that's fair at all. I'd much rather be at school. As I explained yesterday, it's tough and I work with seriously difficult children who often have dreadful home lives. I hate to think how some of them are feeling at the moment.

What is your role in your school? I wasn't sure after asking yesterday as you referred to your neice.

I worked in another sector for 10 years. It was nowhere near as hard or as stressful as teaching.

There is a good chance the schools may stay closed for some time. I am a school teacher based in Leicester and we have been told that schools will remain closed for some time with the exception of certain pupils.

@Scubadive

I realise now that you’re not serious and are just trying to antagonise.

By the way, my previous jobs included a check out operator; working at Boots and I worked at a bank. I wasn’t born a teacher.

I often think that they should all work in another sector before going into teaching, a few years of catching the 7.30am train into a city, finishes at 6.30/7pm, arriving home gone 8pm and doing this 47 weeks a year

I did @scubadive. For 20 years before I went anywhere near a classroom.

I think we get it. You really don't like teachers.

@1forsorrow if you had bothered to read all my posts you would see that I had mentioned that people can get extra holidays for years service and everyone is entitled to bank holidays (or pay in lieu) so they are not relevant. I didn’t keep repeating the same in every post.

I also referred earlier that I was comparing teaching hours to other similar professional jobs. Obviously some jobs have different hours, shift patterns etc, look at junior doctors. But the standard for a professional office type job is based on a 37.5 hour week and 4 or 5 weeks holiday, usually increasing with service and whilst public sector employees can usually build up to 6+ weeks paid holiday with service, this is not generally the case in the private sector, where the ‘norm’ is 5 weeks. This is however, completely splitting hairs and not relevant to the point being discussed as to whether teachers get paid for the holidays.

I doubt your staff working annualised hours get ‘paid’13 weeks holiday a year. I once worked term time only in the NHS and took a percentage pay cut to achieve this. The majority of professional ‘employees‘ are paid an equal 1/12th of their annual salary so they get the same income each month. You say this like it’s some sort of revelation. And whoever said you don’t have contracts with a job.

@harrysnotter is not that I don’t like teachers, I don’t like their moaning and inflexibility.

@scubadive

Please could you post your evidence.

I’ve posted a link to the gov.uk previously, but you are yet to show any evidence that teachers do in fact get paid for 13 weeks holiday.

it does always seem that teachers are quite rigid and not prepared to go the extra mile.
It REALLY pisses me off when people who probably haven't set foot in a school in years start spouting this bollocks about teachers needing to "suck it up" and "pull together." School staff have been propping up society (yes, along with other professions, but they don't seem to attract the same derision) forever, as we are now, yet with little to no acknowledgement from many.

And, Cornish, you've deduced from this thread that "many" teachers don't like their jobs? There are over half a million teachers in the UK. Hardly a representative sample, when your opinion appears to be based on minor spats with a couple of posters on here who have called you on your crystal ball assertion that schools will be open by June.

Oh look, teachers whinging about their pay and conditions (which are the best of any profession in the UK)... shocker

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince I don’t doubt that teaching can be stressful, particularly in some schools but there are compensations, with holidays and working hours and often a shorter local commute.

It’s the lack of acknowledgement of the plus side that always seems amiss in these threads. All jobs have pluses and minuses but it does seem to me that teachers focus on the minuses, both in the staff room and externally.

Oh, and there is is again, from scubadive: "I don’t like their moaning and inflexibility."
You've met all half a million of us, have you?

I don’t like their moaning and inflexibility.

So teachers are expected to be inflexible in when they take their annual leave etc because they never have a choice, and then people like you moan when they want to have their time off at the time they are always forced to take it? Teachers are not paid for 365 days a year, and the reason they moan is because they are treated like crap.

The reason SOME moan that should say!

@refraction your DH May be one of the few TA’s to be contracted to work 37.5 hours per week but they cannot do this in the holidays when the schools are closed. Accordingly, they are not really being paid £25k. If you google a take home pay salary calculator and put in £25k, their take home pay will be less as they have a deduction made for all the school holidays taken in excess of 5 weeks (8 weeks unpaid). An NQT however, on £25k, will get paid a true £25k as no deduction for unpaid holidays.

Wrong! He is in 25k just as I was until I decided to go back into teaching!
Stop making such claims.

His 25k is not pro rata. He actually earns this! Dear me!!

Oh look, teachers whinging about their pay and conditions (which are the best of any profession in the UK)... shocker

Is this serious or sarcastic?

The reason THE VAST MAJORITY moan

Oh look, teachers whinging about their pay and conditions (which are the best of any profession in the UK)... shocker

And "oh look! Another poster with poor comprehension skills." No one on here is "whingeing," just putting others right on their interpretation of our pay set-up. In the same way as we often have to defend our working hours (also seen as whingeing) when others persist in alleging we all piss off home at 3.30.

If we do return in June all well and good. I don't see anyone posting saying they don't want this only that we can't really know yet.