Did UK introduce restrictions too early?

[Makeitgoaway]

Hear me out!

I don't think they planned to close schools when they did. I think the Welsh and Scotish governments forced their hand and they themselves were influenced by public opinion more than the science.

When I first heard "the plan" it sounded like there were terrible things to come but it made sense to me, as a way of controlling things as much as possible.

The public didn't like it and there was outrage that we didn't "lockdown" to protect ourselves, although "the public" also didn't behave in any sort of sensible manner to protect themselves as we saw last weekend.

So, measures were in force earlier than planned. The more restrictions there are and the earlier they are in place, the longer this thing will last. The restrictions don't protect "us", they protect the NHS. Most people will need to get it before this is over. Lockdown won't make it go away, just slow the rate of infection, meaning it takes longer to play out. While the NHS is coping, was there any need for the restrictions?

In Italy, it has taken 3 weeks for signs of social unrest to emerge. If that happens here we won't be even close to the peak at that stage. What happens then?

Smallpox has been successfully eradicated. Other viruses have been eradicated from some countries. It takes a lot of work to eradicate a virus totally when we have countries in the world where most people are very poor, there is no health system.
My own father had diptheria as an infant, an illness you only hear of these days in very poor countries. Of course diptheria is not the same as covoid 19, but my point is that public health campaigns do eradicate viruses from countries or severely limit the numbers infected.

But all this would have taken political courage. Courage that Boris does not have.

Op I've only read page 1.

The people we saw out and about on mother's day was an extremely small %of the population. Most people did stay in doors or go out at a social distance.

People are taking it seriously.
A very small %are not.

We did lock down two weeks too late still allowed flights in and out (euro star) still running and Cheltenham we were told posed very little risk because it was outdoors, same with football matches, now families are being persecuted for driving to secluded woods to walk alone.

Utterly balmy non sensical.. Protect our NHS... After we did all we could to encourage infection 🤔

I would imagine that they will give the vaccine to kids, the same way they did the swine flu vaccine - which, as I recall, wasn’t given to adults at all.

The swine flu vaccine eradicated the disease, even though it was only given to children and despite the fact that the disease affected adults as well.

The argument was that children are the biggest spreaders of germs.

They will have a vaccine sooner rather than later. It is in everyone’s interests to find one. By the way, they said it would take years for a swine flu vaccine at the start of that outbreak also.

The only difference now that I can predict is that parents will not allow their kids to have the vaccine. In 2009, enough kids were given it to stop the disease. Can’t see anyone agreeing to it these days.

@Gin96 clearly

EY Swine flu affected younger people more this is the opposite.

@alloutoffucks

thank-you for the info;

well, one of the other arguments in favour of the herd immunity approach was that people would not be able to (mentally) sustain a lockdown for long enough, so we'll see what happens.

It’s worth reading up on the vaccines if comparisons are going to be continuously made.

Yes 1million worldwide have already had coronavirus alloutoffucks said on another thread, she has no facts to back that up, she just made the number up.

alloutoffucks
We didn't eliminate diphtheria in this country through public health campaigns. That's on the UK vaccination schedule to this day, too.

To be fair, coronavirus is not a new type of virus - it’s just that coronaviruses circulating widely in the human population prior to this did not cause severe enough symptoms to merit vaccination. Mind you, given MERS and SARS, it seems a bit dimwitted in retrospect that more research was not done into the possibility of needing to vaccinate against possible future new, more virulent coronaviruses, since they are all related. Seems like research into it would start, then peter out once the initial crisis was over, despite the entire world knowing a global pandemic was overdue and the coronaviruses appearing to be prime contenders.

Walkaround why does it get the status of novel?

Or called that often in any case

People keep talking about group immunity as a ‘strategy’ or ‘plan’. It’s not. It is an inevitable outcome. Unless a vaccine is found before that happens.

@Gin96 Doyou know, I don't think I have ever seen you post anything that isn't simply rubbishing alloutof?

It is getting boring. We know you don't agree with her.

(and I think she said the million was a mistake, upthread)

It’s new to humans - but still closely related to human coronaviruses, Like swine flu was new to humans, but closely related to other human influenzas - hence a vaccine being created far more quickly than would have been the case if it were entirely “new.”

It is an inevitable outcome.

No, it really isn't. I don't believe herd immunity has ever been achieved in a population for anything, without using vaccines...

It is more a theory than a strategy...

Bool it is certainly inevitable when absolutely no measures are put into place to stop the population being infected.

We saw this coming from the January and it has clearly been entirely ignored.

@MarshaBradyo - Swine flu was more dangerous for children, as I recall. But just as many adults caught it.

They gave the vaccine to children because they were the ones spreading the disease around. They didn’t close any schools, though I remember being told to prepare for the possibility.

In fact, now that I think about it, the vaccine was only given to children under the age of 5. My kids were a bit older so didn’t have it.

Walkaround and the timescale for a vaccine for CV19 - as fast as swine flu?

Ey CV19 is far more contagious and far less serious for children. Various factors meant vaccine went to children first, it makes sense.

I just can’t bare people making numbers up, here are the facts to the numbers:

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

MarshaBradyo - clearly unlikely, given the fact we don’t have any vaccines effective against any coronaviruses, yet, so far as I’m aware.

Well there you go.

Well there I go what?...

It’s not as fast as I was saying earlier. You have confirmed it.