We missed out on ventilators because of this??!!!!

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www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-boris-johnson-ventilator-eu-scheme-nhs-a9429196.html

Ridiculous, isn't it?

I call bullshit.

It's true, it was reported yesterday on the news but kept very very quiet.

What a shame we spent so much on Brexit. The NHS could do with the money.

It’s true. Widely reported.

@endofthelinefinally
True. Very true.

Can someone explain? I'm having trouble with my adblockers and can't view.

If the government were actively looking to buy ventilators they would have already been in contact with the supplier - it wouldn't have hinged on an email in the spam folder. Use your brains people!

Unfortunate timing perhaps ?
Not so long ago – less than a fortnight, in fact – though it feels like another geological era, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, was issuing a call to arms to every manufacturer in the UK to start producing ventilators. “If you make one we will buy it,” he said. “No number is too high.”

So there was some confusion over the fact that the UK had chosen not to take part in the EU’s ventilator procurement scheme, to which we had expressly and very publicly been invited, despite having left the EU what feels like several lifetimes ago.

It's ok they have thought of an excuse now.
It's because they are foreign ventilators and we don't trust em.

@roses2 ikr!

Mass purchase reduces the costs but increases the bureaucracy British designers and manufacturers are already involved I designing and prototyping/producing ventilators and at the risk of sounding like a cliche it's keeping people here employed and businesses afloat.

Mass purchase reduces the costs but increases the bureaucracy British designers and manufacturers are already involved I designing and prototyping/producing ventilators

We want to buy ventilators through as many channels as possible. I can't imagine the EU are going to be fucking around with paperwork too much at the moment.

Not accepting the offer to purchase through the EU is abysmal.

BoJo didn't respond to the email.

So when there's official and effecient communication channels, a singular email is now seen as sufficient? There are both advantages and disadvantages to working together to try and buy things which are in short supply globally.

It's not just foreign ventilators we're missing out on.
We missed out on these British ones which have now gone abroad.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ventilator-crunch-looms-after-snubbing-eu-action-6s7tg3vnw?fbclid=IwAR1BNFTpgBKUl25VDnhlnd-jcJlpQJ6QIOiW-97l0egwYhnLGPWnTaoZdz8

And we cancelled the order for these British ones:

www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/18339699.worcesters-gtech-told-not-produce-much-needed-ventilators-government-chief-executive-says/

It's beginning to look like the government aren't serious about getting more.

We want to buy ventilators through as many channels as possible. I can't imagine the EU are going to be fucking around with paperwork too much at the moment.

Er, yes they will. Even urgent requests are subject to a level of due diligence which means paperwork, otherwise you run the risk of ending up with thousands of ventilators which are either not to spec or from an unreliable seller who effectively shaft you. There's an extra layer where different HC systems have different requirements, if people are looking to buy for field hospitals, they are likely to have different needs than those looking to boulster their hospital stock, for example. They do essentially the same job, but are not all the same. It really isn't as easy as just rocking up together and getting loads for cheap.

So when there's official and effecient communication channels, a singular email is now seen as sufficient?

I imagine it those official channels are often email, doubly so at the moment. Given they also announced it publicly and it was all over the main news, I don't think you can blame the EU for not trying hard enough.

Doesn’t he have people do this job lom

@MashedPotatoBrainz the company themselves say that they emailed the health secretary and he didn't reply, probably because he didn't see it. But there is an official channel (just as there is for everything) for putting your company forward to either build or sell stock you have available; as they do consultancy work for the NHS why didn't they know this? I'm not saying some things aren't ridiculous, but the papers always make it sound like someone like Boris is sat reading emails saying nah, no, best not. That's really not how it works, just look beyond the headlines sometimes. They may have not met the required spec either, looks like they just managed to get stock from a company in the UAE who they promised the business to, and when it wasn't forthcoming took it back.

Even urgent requests are subject to a level of due diligence which means paperwork, otherwise you run the risk of ending up with thousands of ventilators which are either not to spec or from an unreliable seller who effectively shaft you.

I was not suggesting they will not go through a procurement process. I was suggesting they are able to do so just as quickly as we can. Even if buying through them introduces a slight delay, I think we'd rather have that as well as producing our own.

@donquixotedelamancha I'm not saying they didn't, but the EU themselves have said that the claims aren't true, and that other methods of contact were tried.

Where is this magical shop with unlimited ventilators that only the EU can buy from? Why do we have to buy them through a third party rather than directly? Why didn't the EU buy and give these ventilators to Italy so they didn't have to turn to China, Russia and Cuba for help. Every country in the world is trying to buy ventilators, their isn't any spare.

In this time of crisis I wish people would stop playing politics.

Brexit Boris. One trick pony Boris. We all know he turned this down because he didn't want the humiliation of accepting anything from Europe.

I think there will be a huge Public Enquiry about all this after this epidemic dies down. Heads will roll.

Where is this magical shop with unlimited ventilators that only the EU can buy from? Why do we have to buy them through a third party rather than directly? Why didn't the EU buy and give these ventilators to Italy so they didn't have to turn to China, Russia and Cuba for help. Every country in the world is trying to buy ventilators, their isn't any spare

In this time of crisis I wish people would stop playing politics

This is a joint procurement scheme whereby the EU gets tenders in for ventilators. This has already been successful for PPE.

The large buying power of the EU will gain what they need that can then be passed on to all the countries that have signed up for the scheme.

It's not playing politics to say our government should damn well be taking advantage of the offer to be included. Playing politics is putting anti EU feelings ahead of procuring life saving equipment.

These Dyson and JCB ventilators haven't been approved and tested yet. Why not buy from an already approved supplier? Because James Dyson is a big Tory donor perhaps? He's moved his base to Singapore to take advantage of the EU/Singapore FTA signed off last year Not really a British company anymore.