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My husband has said I can quit my job if I want to.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 25/03/2020 21:41

I’m a nurse, obviously anxious about what dangers and nightmares lie ahead, and my DH has just said that I don’t have to go to work if I don’t want to, and he’d rather us live on just one wage if it meant I could be kept safe.

Has anyone else working in hospitals ever felt so nervous about what’s to come that they’d consider leaving?

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Popc0rn · 01/04/2020 14:05

I'm a nurse, and I've gone from a specialised job role to working on a covid ward in less than a week. No training/upskilling sessions to get us ready for going back on a ward when some of us have never actually worked on one, let alone any training in covid itself. Annual leave has been cancelled. ICU is full (in my hospital).

I'm handing in my notice, my mind is firmly made up. I did not sign up for this. And covid aside, working on a ward years ago made me so stressed and depressed that I was very nearly suicidal at one point. There is a reason I left in the first place. If that means I'm not cut out to be a nurse at all, then so be it. I do feel guilty and selfish, but I also don't feel particularly useful in this situation anyway; I lack a lot of clinical skills needed to work on a covid ward and there is no training available right now. I am also unhappy with the PPE that we have been provided with; Public Health England changed the guidelines a couple of weeks ago, I think the decision was based on stock availability more than safety.

QueenofmyPrinces · 01/04/2020 14:25

I lack a lot of clinical skills needed to work on a covid ward and there is no training available right now.

And herein lies a lot of the problem.

I dread to think how many patients will lose their life as a result of being looked after by nursing/medical staff who have no idea what they’re doing - in terms of managing airway devices and ventilators etc

A poster up above had said that an unskilled nurse is better than no nurse.....and maybe that’s true for the staffing number of the departments, but it’s not at all true for the patients who deserve to be cared for by appropriately trained and skilled staff.

I’m sorry you’ve been thrown into this situation and I hope you manage to cope as best as you can whilst you work your notice.

All our Specialist Nurses are having their roles suspended too and have instead been put into a staff nurses uniform and thrust into the frontline with no real concern as to how (if) they will manage.

As nurses we all know that what is happening is absolutely horrific and that we need to do what we can, but it’s the absolute disregard for how we are coping or feeling that makes us feel like leaving.

Nobody seems to care that we don’t have the right PPE and they don’t care whether we can safely look after the patients.

The disregard for its staff is not the NHS I signed up for either.

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shushymcshush · 01/04/2020 15:01

I don't blame you. You must be petrified. Negligent of Dept of H, NHS, PHE & H&S exec to allow this lack of PPE to continue. Failing in duty of care as employers.

If I were working in Medicine, I can imagine my DH and DS would want to prevent me from going out of the front door every day. Your DH clearly feels that way.

This is not the 1800s where little was known about diseases etc. This is the 21st C and there is no excuse for medics to be underequipped as far as PPE goes. No-one should go to work to die.

That does not make you a bad nurse. It makes you someone sensible.

QueenofmyPrinces · 06/04/2020 21:43

Well the redeployment is rolling out and we’ve had staff in tears and even staff who have walked off shift when they’ve been seen to clinical areas that they aren’t trained to work in.

Basically as of next week the Matrons will be deciding which nurses are to be moved and then they will be placed on the selected wards for 6 months.

One nurse I was talking to today said her anxiety is through the roof, she isn’t sleeping and if she could she’d hand her notice in now.

It’s such a worrying environment to be in Sad

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Rupertpenrysmistress · 06/04/2020 22:09

Same here only we are being sent to ITU!! I have no experience I am terrified of going, not yet FIT tested I will be useless. I can't stand this coupled with the fear of getting Covid and dying.

Babyroobs · 07/04/2020 00:52

I've signed up to the emergency register but no-one has even contacted me about returning despite having an email about a week ago saying I would be contacted in a couple of days. To be honest with each day that passes it gets more and more frightening and I start remembering why I left Nursing in the first place to pursue a different career. The thought of being thrust back onto a ward without adequate training or PPE is immensely scary. Coupled with me being somewhat obese and having a high risk husband who is shielding for 3 months I think I may just give it a miss. Cannot express the admiration I have for those of you being redeployed in these circumstances and having no choice.

Babyroobs · 07/04/2020 00:53

Having said that though there must be roles for people like me elsewhere such as in bereavement support or something where I could use my skills without being on the frontline?

Marieo · 07/04/2020 04:16

111 are looking for nurses here?

Imstillskanking · 07/04/2020 04:38

Only you can answer this. It doesn't matter what a bunch of strangers on mumsnet think.

This is one of those situations where there isn't a true and clear answer. It's just about what you think is right for you.

stairway · 07/04/2020 16:00

One of my colleagues us now in ITU on a ventilator so I’m told. The pay is so not worth it at all.

QueenofmyPrinces · 07/04/2020 16:06

One of my colleagues us now in ITU on a ventilator so I’m told. The pay is so not worth it at all.

Sad

This is real people it’s happening too, real nurses and doctors with families who are at real risk of losing their lives.

My husband said to me earlier that if I was ever moved to a ward or unit and I didn’t feel safe there or protected there then he’d fully support me leaving.

My colleague yesterday said she is desperate to hand her notice in but said she can’t because her husband would go mad Sad

It feels that for a lot us we have no control over our own fate because of our job. It’s horrible Sad

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Apricotfool · 07/04/2020 16:16

I convinced my daughter to hand her notice in, she’s done it this morning. She’s not a nurse but a phlebotomist visiting 20 homes a day and 20 more in clinic. She’s on minimum wage, she’s 22 and has asthma. I think she wanted my blessing and until now I’ve spoken to her about duty and fairness. Boris has scared me and I couldn’t live with myself if I’d encouraged her to stay and something happened. I’m relieved but also saddened by my selfishness.

Apricotfool · 07/04/2020 16:19

Though she has to do 4 weeks notice, is this right?

QueenofmyPrinces · 07/04/2020 16:57

I would imagine so apricot unless she has any annual leave due?

I’m not really sure how it works. My colleague who walked off halfway through a dangerous shift on critical care (after being redeployed there) last week hasn’t been back to work at all.

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Popc0rn · 07/04/2020 17:02

We aren't allowed to book any annual leave atm at my trust, and all prebooked annual leave has been cancelled. I had every intention of sucking it up and working my 8 weeks notice, but I'm not so sure I can now. I feel so unsupported on new ward, the fear has well and truly taken over and I'm not coping Blush.

Have you been redeployed yet OP?

QueenofmyPrinces · 07/04/2020 17:27

Have you been redeployed yet OP?

At the moment, different grades of staff are being sent to various units on a day to day basis, based on clinical need.

Next week out matrons are making the announcement of which staff are going to be permanently deployed for a period of 6 months.

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headispounding · 07/04/2020 17:33

Hospital trusts are treating staff so badly at the moment. We're like robots who are dispensable and once sick, discarded and the next robot brought it. I don't blame people for walking out and handing their notice in. Many in my team are doing the same. It's not the individuals fault, the blame is solely with the hospital managers who don't know how to treat people properly and the government for under funding the NHS.

Elsiebear90 · 07/04/2020 17:45

I’m a HCP, front line as I work in cath labs so we have to accept Covid and suspected Covid patients, had five patients today back to back. I want to volunteer to be redeployed as I feel we don’t have enough work on at the moment to justify our department being fully staffed, we’re being sent home every day early because we have so little work on and as someone young and low risk, I want to help people the best I can. However, I understand in some areas staff are being worked past the point of exhaustion with inadequate PPE, and they themselves or family members they live with are high risk, so I wouldn’t blame them for wanting a break or to quit. I think if you and your family are low risk your job as a HCP is to help people, and you don’t have a good enough excuse imo to just not turn up to work giving no notice (unless you’re high risk or your family are), imagine if we all did that the NHS would collapse.

Riv12345 · 07/04/2020 18:00

I'm a health care assistant only work part time.
I'm back to work on Friday, we have 2 positives on the ward. I am very anxious!!
We have masks, goggles and aprons and gloves, I'm still nervy , I get slight asthma and get bad anxiety.

I'm very careful wash my hands a million times.
It isn't air Bourne is it?
We can only catch it from droplets from a cough or sneeze??
Just need to hear something reassuring please

kingofkings · 08/04/2020 23:49

I read our FAQ today. If you ask to be taken from patient contact due to concern over infection to yourself they will listen to your concerns and try to offer alternative role. However if you are an essential worker and no other role is available you would have to go onto unpaid leave.

Imstillskanking · 09/04/2020 05:37

My DH is an ICU reg. So he is literally the guy who is shoving the tubes down infected patient's throats, and getting sprayed with virus particles in the process. It's a big part of his day to day job, and in the current climate its happening more and more. PPE is scarce but research seems to suggest that it's not that effective anyway, especially for the person who is doing the intubating. I'm so worried about him right now. I'm also worried for me and the DC, because he could easily bring it home. If I was expected to do what he does, and I had a way out, I cannot honestly say that I wouldn't take it.

He isn't even considering quitting, but then again he is the main breadwinner. That being said, I doubt he'd consider it anyway, even if money were no object. He's just not that kind of person. When the ebola outbreak got bad in Sierra Leone he was thinking about going over and volunteering. I think the only thing that stopped him was me falling pregnant.

He's just that type of person. In a crisis situation he sees it as his duty to help others. Although I admire him for that, in all honestly I sort of hate it. He means the world to me and the DC and every day when he leaves for work I want to tell him not to go. I want us to all run away to somewhere that's not infected and hide there. It probably sounds really selfish and warped, but deep down I feel like my children and I need my husband more than his patients do. I would never ask him to quit, and he knows how I feel and tries to reassure me. We just get on with it.

Sorry for rambling. I'm not even sure what my point is. I suppose I'm just trying to say that people react differently to these situations, and it is not your responsibility to be a hero. Some feel their first duty is to their patients, and for others it may be to their family. I don't think either is right or wrong. Anyone trying to make you feel guilty for whatever you decide is not worth worrying about. Please just make the decision that you can live with.

QueenofmyPrinces · 09/04/2020 06:50

Thank you for your perspective Imstill - you must be terrors. My husband worries about me each time I go to work and I don’t do anything near as risky as what your DH does.

My DH is worried that something will happen to me and our young children will lose me. Every time another article is released about a nurse that has died it ramps his anxiety up.

I can’t remember if I have already said this about my colleague (also a nurse), but yesterday she had to send her 3 year old son to go and live with his nan (her mom) because of the risk she poses to him because of the clinical environment she works in. She is distraught and she has no idea when she will be able to see him again.

Nothing that is “morally expected” of a nurse makes what she’s been forced to do acceptable. No amount of “duty of care” is worth separating a parent and a child.

She has no option but to carry on working as she is a single parent, hence why she’s had to hand her son over.

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Nquartz · 18/04/2020 06:49

How are you OP? Hope you're ok Thanks

QueenofmyPrinces · 18/04/2020 08:03

Hi nquartz

I’m doing ok thanks.

The decision was made a few weeks ago that the unit I work on (comprises of 6 different areas: an outpatient department, a day care unit and 4 wards) will have some of it closed off to accommodate Covid patients, so that is now what has happened. This has obviously had a negative knock-on effect to the care our unit is trying to provide.

Due to these closures, various members of the staff (across all 6 of our units) will be redeployed to Covid wards and Critical Care wards for a minimum of 6 months.

We are expecting the decision of who those people will be to be announced in the next week or so. All week at work tensions have been awful and there are a lot of scared staff around.

The preparation we have had for this is an hours classroom training in critical care and half an hours online training about how to use certain equipment they have up there.

None of are adult trained nurses, we are from another domain of nursing, hence why we have had this wonderful training programme Hmm

Numerous staff have been in tears about what we may have to face and we are on edge everyday just waiting to hear the announcement of who will be moving.

The fact that staff are now being told to re-use long sleeved gowns due to shortages doesn’t help matters. Saying that though, a friend of mine works on a geriatric ward with many Covid patients and they haven’t had long sleeved gowns for almost two weeks now and simply just have to wear their flimsy plastic white aprons. The advice they were given was just to make sure they wash their arms as well as their hands. How helpful.

It’s frightening what’s going on.

I was watching an interview on TV last night (can’t remember who was being interviewed, a medical director of some sort) and the interviewer asked him if now that nurses have had even more correct PPE taken from then, then isn’t it right they should be able to refuse to go near the patients? The gentleman kept skirting around the issue and tried to give a generic responses but she kept re-asking him the question and saying, “but surely they have the right to refuse when they are being asked to risk their own lives for no other reason than that the Goverment/NHS (whoever she felt was failing) was failing to protect them.

The best she got out of him was that he said it’s not his place to determine what moral judgements nurses and doctors should make.

I guess he felt like a lot of other people (including some posters on this thread) that just because we are medical staff that means we are simply expected to put ourselves at risk, including risking our lives, because it’s our “moral duty”.

It’s because of attitudes like this that the medical staff are screwed and the Goverment/NHS/WHO/DoH can say/do whatever they wish because they don’t expect any of us to stand up for ourselves and our own rights.

It sucks.

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Nquartz · 18/04/2020 08:45

I'm so sorry, it sounds so utterly shit. I don't think anyone with an ounce of compassion would blame you if you walked away, this is most definitely not what you signed up for.

I hope you have support at work or on here from others in a similar situation, from other threads/posts I've read you're definitely not alone.

Have an in-mumsnetty hug, Thanks and your drink of choice BrewWineGin

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