FFS lock the country down now

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Is anyone looking at the British public this weekend and thinking FFS lock us down! lock us down now and hard!

Are people really that thick to think that whats happened to poor china, Italy and Iran, cant happen to us.

Our government have seen it coming and done nothing. Other than protect the economy cos that's more important than lives and our NHS. We should have been in lockdown from friday.

Although from comments above it seems such is not the case elsewhere in the county. Which is a shame.

I don't want a lockdown because most of my friends (were mid 20s) live in flat shares with strangers and no gardens. It will be hell.

The virus could kill 7% of the population.

How many people would lockdown kill? - let's work out how many people have mental health problems, people with jobs they need to keep up in order to eat, families with an abusive member - then work out what will be worse?

People just don't give a shit. There wouldn't be a need for a strict China-style lockdown, if people would just be sensible and act responsibly. But no, they just don't care.

I'm originally from a very small country (not even 3mil people). A week or so ago, there were 3 people with covid. THREE. Yesterday there was 100. Today 131 and one dead. It's a small country, so 131 (plus plenty undiagnosed) is not a little number and it's rapidly rising.

Our government is pretty much useless, but in this case, they were really quite good and tried their best to contain it. Schools were shut when there were 3 cases. All non-essential shops/pubs/etc were shut. Government talked and talked and talked about China/Italy/Iran (and UK), pleaded with people, asked them to stay home and don't roam around without a great need. We have plenty of green empty spaces/woodlands, you can easily go there and not meet a soul.

So what did the people do? Exactly as in UK. Out and about in town centres. Mingling together. Hairdressers/beauticians treating women at home. People sitting and having a beer in parks together. And blaming 'all those idiots' out and about (except for themselves, of course, as they definitely have a 'most valid reason' to be out). Blaming the government. And what is the government supposed to do? They can't place a policeman in front of every single house.

The funny thing is, people there follow the news as everywhere else. They are horrified at what's happening in UK (government's reaction, mostly). Some are laughing, some are aghast. You can't fix stupid, it seems.. Their own government was proactive and rather on point, yet they just continue doing dumb shit and blaming the officials. Seems to me that they expect the said officials just somehow miraculously eradicate covid from the country, without any input from the general population.

What will happen to homeless people who rely on spare change and food places to be open etc ?

Lockdown is needed because everything is vague and nothing is clear.

I took the kids out on their bikes for an hour today. We live in a quiet place and there weren’t many people around. I read this morning that it’s ok to walk. Rainbows in the windows and all that. Should I not have done that? I’m genuinely quite confused.

There are all kinds of people that still need to be out and about - key workers, people who won't get paid if they don't go to work, people caring for the vulnerable in their homes, the homeless, people with pets that need walking, people who cannot stay at home because they have mental health problems. The list is pretty much endless.

If you have a nice house with everything you need and a job that will pay you to sit in pyjamas or work from home, then you area in a very privileged position. You can't preach to others that aren't as fortunate. If you don't want to catch it, then stay in and protect yourself. For others, life has to go on, or they could die anyway.

If you lived in a damp bedsit with no view, you might find getting out a bit would be good for your sanity

It's not the going out that's the problem, it's the large crowds gathering together that's the problem.

It’ll take a fit and healthy 15yr old/25 yr old/ 30 yr old or children to die before it hits home.

There’s no point in being deliberately alarmist. Yes a few younger people may die (as they tragically do all the time of all sorts of diseases). It is overwhelmingly older and/or people with complicating factors who are getting seriously ill. Personally I’m on a pretty strict lock down already because, you know, I don’t want older people to die either.

We purposely went for a walk where I knew the minimum people would be. We saw about three dog walkers, two joggers, a family of about five walking along, two kids on their own, two lots of two older people.

I cant believe some of the pictures of large amounts of people walking along seafronts. 😲 or queuing at supermarkets.

Its needed lots of group of teenagers going around the streets being thugs.time for lockdown & fine those who dont do it.
Sick of these people who are going out with not a care in the world when NHS staff & other workers working their ass off to keep us alive.

It's not the going out that's the problem, it's the large crowds gathering together that's the problem.

I thought you could catch the virus from one person.

Well the groups of teens because keep saying they’ve seen around are 100% the fault of the parents.

Parents moaned until schools closed and now instead of protecting the children they are taking them to the beach or letting them go in in groups with other teens. They were better off in school, as some parents are clearly too think to understand

How would a lockdown be enforced?
Population of 68 million, 126,000 police officers and 150,000 armed forces personnel.

So how are barbers allowed to stay open?

How true is this

So, we're all losing our freedoms/human rights/jobs/livelihoods/contact with others/sanity to stay at home to protect the (less than) 7% who could just stay at home and avoid the virus themselves. I smell a rat.

And now we're going to have the army policing the streets to make sure we all stay in our little boxes and sat glued to the propaganda machine. I hope everything goes right back to normal afterwards, because if it doesn't I will be blaming the hard of thinking.

Fear makes people so stupid.

I think it’s a little different @mindsetproject.

My understanding is this:

• the super vulnerable are being shielded. These are the people who would probably all need critical care and eventually die

• the slightly less vulnerable are mostly choosing to shield / stay at home because they might need critical care

• the general public are being asked to social distance and stay at home where possible to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems when some of the above two groups inevitable do catch it and need care. Also in this group are families and carers of those in the above two groups. Who need to avoid spreading.

So where does the 80% only have mild/no symptoms come from

I was against a lockdown but I spoke to a paramedic friend earlier and she was telling me someone had drilled holes in to the tyres of 6 ambulances at her depot today...Why would someone do that when we are in the middle of a crisis?

Story here

www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/holes-drilled-in-tyres-as-six-ambulances-attacked-224229/

For anyone not wanting to click the link

Paramedics on the frontline of the fight against coronavirus arrived at work to find holes drilled in the tyres of six ambulances.

The vehicles were taken off the road after the damage was discovered at a vehicle preparation centre in Ramsgate shortly after 7am today.

Janine Compton, a spokesman for South East Coast Ambulance Service, says most people have been "fantastically supportive" of its staff, but condemned those who targeted the vehicles.

She said: "We can confirm that six of our frontline ambulances were deliberately damaged overnight at our Make Ready Centre in Thanet.

"Our fleet staff have worked tremendously hard this morning to ensure that the impact on our patients was minimal. However, it was additional work at a time we are already under significant pressure.

"It is extremely disappointing that an individual would target the ambulance service in this way, at a time when the vast majority of the public have been fantastically supportive of our staff during these difficult times.

@mindproject, couldn’t agree more

swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR2ZDjLy01Wwsv5bguKYI2WryzV53_ACXKvzqje5WlHMz0GspmYGnyT82T8

The Italian National Health Institute ISS has published a new report on test-positive deaths:

The median age is 80.5 years (79.5 for men, 83.7 for women).
10% of the deceased was over 90 years old; 90% of the deceased was over 70 years old.
At most 0.8% of the deceased had no pre-existing chronic illnesses.
Approximately 75% of the deceased had two or more pre-existing conditions, 50% had three more pre-existing conditions, in particular heart disease, diabetes and cancer.
Five of the deceased were between 31 and 39 years old, all of them with serious pre-existing health conditions (e.g. cancer or heart disease).
The National Health Institute hasn’t yet determined what the patients examined ultimately died of and refers to them in general terms as Covid19-positive deaths.

@vegas888 that leaves 20% who get it seriously enough to need hospital care, possibly critically or fatally.

If 60% (40.5m) of the population catches it (which is a reasonable scenario) then that means 8 million people with a serious version of Covid 19 that cannot be treated at home.

Can you imagine if that all happened over a short period of time?

I thought you could catch the virus from one person

Yes but your risk is negligible if you are out for a walk and maintain a distance from people as you pass. Going out as a large group and hanging around together, or in a crowded space increases risk.

It's not difficult to understand.

100% we will be in lockdown as soon as the government can organise the logistics to carry it out. They are just buying time to set up a system where you have either a hard copy permit or phone app to verify the reason for any journey. Hopefully this will be in the next 24/48 hours. I would love to be proved wrong, honestly I would but front line here, beginning to see the effects already. Decent weather, schools out and people who think they’re invincible or in denial maybe. Please stay home, please save lives.