FFS how hard is it to understand - stop going out

[Zacharyezrarawlings]

will you just stop going out ffs. I am a psychiatrist and thus a trained doctor. I graduated from medical school in 1997. I did 2 years working in general medicine/surgery then went on to specialise in psychiatry. I have been a psychiatrist now for over 20 years. I am shit hot at treating depression, OCD, anxiety, pscyhosis, personality disorders etc and all manner of mental health conditions. I am NOT shit hot at treating pneumonia, ventilating people, sepsis or even managing MIs, strokes, appendicitis, or any other number of medical or surgical situations. You really, really do not wnat me as your doctor if you are seriously physically unwell. But if you don't all stop going out this is what I will be asked to do over the coming weeks. This will not be giving patients the best care, it will be doing my best to try and keep them alive.and meanwhile my own patients with significant mental health conditions will be left to fend for themselves.
And all the time I will be exposing myself to a potenitally increased viral load and putting myself and my own family at risk.
You can all avoid this. It is really fucking simple. STOP GOING OUT!
You don't need you hair/nails/eyebrows doing. You do not need to meet up at your friends houses. Your teenagers do not need to see their friends. If you carry on doing these things more people will die.
I am actually despairing of peoples mentality right now. What is so hard to understand. yes its shit. Ive got my own family including teenagers and it is shit. But there is literally no choice.
Please, please, please stay at home unless absolutely essential.

Well I have stayed at home for 2 weeks in the past when I have had stomach bugs or very bad flu or the weather has been very bad and we had snow or it was monsooned.

But we had online grocerys where we could get them delivered to our homes.
And we can't get that now because of this crisis.
So we are forced to go out to the shops if we want anything.
And trapes around different shops trying to find bread,frozen food,and veg etc, because most shops have none.

It not that we want to go out.
We don't but we have to to get food and supply's for the house because we can't get it brought to us at home anymore.
Trying to get an online grocery delivery slot with Tesco,Salisbury or another supermarket is like trying to get an audience with the pope.
That's why so many people are outside.

The complacency or whatever it is, is breathtaking.
BIL yesterday told us his DIL had fallen out with him because he wouldn't go to her house and wait for a delivery while she went out for the day. He's nearly 70, recently had heart surgery, and has COPD.
Mum in local MacDonalds, took her kids out and let them run round in there, while they were supposedly self-isolating.
We had to drive through estate to get a bit of shopping we were desperate for. (And if we could get shopping delivered wouldn't go further than back garden.) Kids and teenagers hanging around in groups all over.
Acquaintance refusing to cancel baby shower she's organised for her pregnant sister. Though the sister rather sensitibly said she won't be there...
Hardly anyone around here seems to be staying in at all.

Haha. I noticed the point you got a biscuit for but I let you off under the circumstances.

I work with psychiatrists too and can verify that this is what could happen. Take it seriously people.

@whatashower people simply don't.

In crisis situations people need simple instructions with someone in authority making clear decisions.

Letting pubs and restaurants stay open while telling people not to go to them failed on this particularly in this age of 24-7 news media.

It took until some of the same media slated the owner of Wetherspoons before the government realised it's message was not simple.

And some people still don't get it.

@MissyJane2 the OP isn't posting about trying to find food, delivering food/medicine to those in isolation or going to work because you have no choice.

She is posting about those going to get their nails done, getting a bikini wax, shopping for leisure purposes, hanging out in groups, going for coffee at someone's house.... in short all the going out that isn't essential.

BFG, did you ask her how she knows who is healthy and who isn't?

That's the key.

You could be shedding virus without or before you display symptoms. By moving about you are potentially picking it up and spreading it around.

We need to slow the rate of spreading or stop it altogether (depending on how we end this). The only way to do that is to stay in one place as much as poss and far enough apart from each other so that it can't be transmitted. If every infectious person right now couldn't infect anyone else because they're too far apart, virus can't go anywhere and dies out.

Obviously we don't put infected people in a place to die and take the virus with them. So that's not a viable solution. But the principle is there.

@LittleLittleLittle Well I don't do those things anyway.

Just seen this. Explains what I said in far fewer words.

@Zacharyezrarawlings i appreciated your post, it wasn’t arrogant, you share our frustrations and expressed them well. I think if we cut all out unnecessary trips to nil, including outdoor walks “keeping a wide berth of any other walker”🧐 (because busy outdoor spaces count too, though are a lot less worse than sweaty pubs), we could better protect key workers by keeping things empty, slowing the spread and reducing the chancea of getting it.

Littlelittle

I know what you are saying but reading these forums and seeing London in action I am very clear that many people are choosing not to understand what has been advised.

'Through the ages 'But I didnt understand' = 'I did but I chose otherwise and you caught me'. Its up there with 'its your fault, you didnt panic me enough' (thats coming up next)

I think its because they have listened and decided their personal risk of serious illness is lower, relatively. I concede they may not have thought through the consequences of that.

@BandB2019

I saw your post on another thread too. I can understand why you're worried about sending dc to court ordered contact.

Why don't you make your own thread about this as I'm sure it's an issue for many other people too, and you'll also get support there.

Fwiw I would refuse to send dc but offer your ex other ways of staying in touch via facetime etc.

I'm not in denial, but are you going to stay in for 18 months whilst they develop a vaccine? How often am I allowed to visit the supermarket before you call me a murderer? My child was at school until yesterday and DH has to go out to work, can't WFH. It's very possible to catch or spread it at the busy supermarket too.

beingarayofsun
Yes. We will all have to be prepared to do that. Particularly if the NHS is broken within the first few weeks, the whole point of controlled spread is to avoid that.
Limited essential trips to get food are not what's being discussed.
Nor is essential going to work.
No-one is calling you a murderer, It is quite the opposite. The OP and thread are expressing huge concern that people like you and key workers are facing vastly increased risk because of non-compliance.
The high-risk of busy supermarkets was highlighted in parliament yesterday and is no doubt why there is frantic staffing up and emphasis on restoring delivery slots. But non-essential shopping and socialising is whats breaking in store stock and delivery services and increasing risk. Please be angry and vocal at those you know that are doing that.

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I think you were right about your skills/experience in your OP