FFS how hard is it to understand - stop going out

[Zacharyezrarawlings]

will you just stop going out ffs. I am a psychiatrist and thus a trained doctor. I graduated from medical school in 1997. I did 2 years working in general medicine/surgery then went on to specialise in psychiatry. I have been a psychiatrist now for over 20 years. I am shit hot at treating depression, OCD, anxiety, pscyhosis, personality disorders etc and all manner of mental health conditions. I am NOT shit hot at treating pneumonia, ventilating people, sepsis or even managing MIs, strokes, appendicitis, or any other number of medical or surgical situations. You really, really do not wnat me as your doctor if you are seriously physically unwell. But if you don't all stop going out this is what I will be asked to do over the coming weeks. This will not be giving patients the best care, it will be doing my best to try and keep them alive.and meanwhile my own patients with significant mental health conditions will be left to fend for themselves.
And all the time I will be exposing myself to a potenitally increased viral load and putting myself and my own family at risk.
You can all avoid this. It is really fucking simple. STOP GOING OUT!
You don't need you hair/nails/eyebrows doing. You do not need to meet up at your friends houses. Your teenagers do not need to see their friends. If you carry on doing these things more people will die.
I am actually despairing of peoples mentality right now. What is so hard to understand. yes its shit. Ive got my own family including teenagers and it is shit. But there is literally no choice.
Please, please, please stay at home unless absolutely essential.

My husband is a grocery manager in a supermarket, so has to go to work.

I work in a healthcare setting, so have to go to work.

We both WISH we could hole up and keep our families safe, but we need to be there to serve the community. I really wish that those who could stay at home did so, to reduce the risk of infection for everyone.

Our World is changing and people are desperate for things to stay the same.
A bit of denial and a bit of selfishness, tossed in with a lot of lack of clear direction from government.
Talking to a co-worker, her DH got a phone call from a friend asking to meet for coffee, he readily agreed. Co -worker shut that down straight away. DH friend was back in country last week from overseas holiday and should be in self isolation !
Add to that, we are nurses.
People stay home unless you need food, medicine or work.

I think people can still go out e.g. for a walk, run etc. Just stay away from other people. I don’t think we are mandated to stay indoors. DH and I are working at home. At lunchtime we went for a walk. Gave everyone we walked past a wide berth. We intend to go outside this weekend. Will drive to more isolated places to walk. No intent to go inside anywhere or talk/socialise with anyone but we will go for a walk. Helps to be married to someone with sociopathic tendencies.

Frankie candle, I have a very close family member working as an H&S manager for their shift at Amazon. It's now mandatory overtime, so that's 11 hr shifts. Day and night. They've taken on more staff and managers are stepping in to help out. That's 800 people per shift in this one distribution center alone. Working their cloggs off so the WFH brigade can keep safe. I think they're bloody heros.

I just don't get the selfishness of it at all.

No one is saying to those who have to go to work to stay st home. Ffs we need to keep what little of the economy we have ticking over . Hopefully your employer should have put in measures to reduce your risk.

If everyone else avoided unnecessary journeys then the risk to you on public transport wouldn't be too bad.

We will go out. We will go out on bikes and walks but we will ensure we socially distance. Kids told playparks a no go.

DH cannot work from home. I'm jealous of him. I'm the one stuck at home.for the next few months with zero break from kids.

It's going to be completely and utterly shit for every single one of us.

But then I think about it a bit more. I am looking after my 2 precious babies (who I could send to school btw if I were a cf). I don't have to deal with the horrors that so many wonderful people on here and throughout UK and the World are going to have to deal with on an daily basis.

So i will not judge those who go out to earn a living but you can be sure I will judge those who do not follow govt instructions.

Each and everyone ofnusna part to play here. Mines may be little but i will do it. If you chose to ignore the instructions of the government and the experts then quite simply you have blood on your hands.

Yes! @frankiecandle exactly

YANBU.
The OP is saying not to go out for non-essential matters. Obviously, work and food would count as essential.

I'm an HCP who has to go to work also.

Iwant You will find that as a medical professional and basic intelligent human being I am capable of having different writing styles in different situations. Whilst it would indeed be a totally innappropriate phrase to use in a patient's notes or GP letter or court report ect I had not anticipated such rigourous scrutiny of my writing style on an internet forum(especially during a time of a global pandemic in which thousands and thousands of people were going to die). I have however already acknowledged that I did not phrase it well and given furhter explanation further up the thread. But since it seems of such concern however let me re phrase:
In treating these conditions (deperession, anxiety, psychosis, OCD, personality dosroder etc) I am fully aware of the current evidence based treatments ad latest NICE guidance. I regularly read the latest research and use critical analysis to consider various peer reviewed journal articles relevant to my field of practice. This enables me to apply the latest recomendations to my practice whilst also accounting for poulation biasis and other statistiacal annomolies. I participate in regular patient feedback and reflective practice which allows me to modify my practice to achive the best possible practice outcomes. My CPD is rigourously panned throughout the year and I attend regular CPD activities relevant to my field of practice as deemed appropraite by consideration of my peer group, in line with current guidance by the Royal College of PSychiatrists. I particpate fully in annual appriasal during which my practice in my chosen field is scrutinised by my peers and I use this process to reflect on my practice and make plans for further improvement. I paticpaite in comprehensive colleague and patient feedback with the Royal College of Psychaitrists in line with curent trust policy....I could go on, but Im sure you get the gist. Or, as I said before I am shit hot at delaing with these things in comaprison to treating pneumonia!
If my writing style is seriously all you have to worry about right now then lucky you.

Completely agree and u know a lot of people still not taking it seriously.
What’s concerning is businesses that could have implemented home working or even just let people not work until they do sirted home working are still operating in call centres - with tens if not hundreds or people - because they’ve now been confirmed as key workers. Because they work for a company such as bank or insurance. Surely not every can be a key worker? And no proactive questions about being in one of the medical risk categories
I don’t understand why people aren’t listening

After this is over maths education will obviously have to be completely reformed. At the moment cases are doubling every 3-4 days. That is an exponential function. If only 5% of those need ITU hospital treatment and a ventilator to stay alive it’s pretty obvious that capacity will be overwhelmed and people will die not even having been given the chance to live. The only thing we can do is reduce infections by isolating.

On the news 1 London hospital closed as has reached capacity.
It will not take long to run out of ICU beds.
People aged 30-40 hardest hit.
Stay safe

I think some of the people who have been ignoring advice are selfish or in denial, but with some it is more a failure to look beyond their own immediate day to day lives and watch the news/make the effort to process some of the science. To be fair the govt have not messaged well on this. I think though that if we sat some of those people down and drummed it into them, they would respond, it's just that they won't make that effect to inform themselves or stretch their minds beyond their everyday expectations. Today I heard 'been too busy to watch the news'

It really really really is that simple.

You would think so @SinglePringle - but people still don't seem to get it.

I agree OP. And I’m excluding people who do need to go out from this statement.

I’m worried about the people in denial because once it hits home they will be the ones causing civil unrest most likely. And that scares me more than the virus tbh, as the riots showed a few years back it can ignite very quickly and that was without food issues etc

It’s the price we’re going to pay because we do actually have freedom in this country. I’m not saying take away our rights and go full on martial law but there is no fear of being punished.

A mnetter on another thread who lives in China and I assume is an ex pat says it is the only time she has been happy to live in a totalitarian sort of state.

Thank you for posting this. The denial out there and on this forum will cause many, many horrible deaths and any people quibbling with your post should get a grip. The fact this has’t been the number one, top clear and unambiguous message across all media from the start is shameful. But the denial is absolutely staggering. I would be using armed police and military. No question.

I 100% agree op. I am likely to have it and I am struggling at home. Any other time I would have sought help by now. I am in constant pain but I can still breathe (although with some noise) and I am not high risk so, I am waiting it out.
I dread to think what it would be like for someone at high risk! People need to stop thinking of themselves.

Realistic figures would help. I’m one of four teachers in my little school suspected of having it, yet not one of us tested our area figure looks tiny!

@Valkadin she was taken apart for saying that but I understood what she meant as this PM seems unable to give a clear and firm message. His speaking style doesn't suit a situation like this, which is probably why people don't think this situation is extremely serious.

For goodness sake, if you have to work (I do) and you have to buy food (I do), the psychiatrist is not talking about you going to work and getting food!!

S/he is talking about going out for funsies.

Stay home as much as you can. For some people, that's 100%, for some it's 50%, for some it's not much at all. Just don't go out for anything non-essential!!!

little that is complete and utter bollocks. The entire fucking world knows 100%

There is a deadly virus.
There is no vaccine.
There are lots of deaths already.
Avoiding contact lowers risk.

Don’t insult the essential workers who don’t have the luxury of isolating by suggesting those other idiots still socialising and herding supermarkets have been misled. They are choosing to ignore advice because it is inconvenient to them.

Perhaps they think it’s like a disaster movie with a happy ending, who knows.

I loathe Boris but don’t dare pretend these morons are basing their life decisions on relative quality of his media briefings. Jesus.

And I totally understand why totalitarian states look like the way to go at the moment.

I fully agree with you, OP. I see the ignorance going on around us, and what people seem essential and I despair.

Are they really so thick that they see going to the pub or having a manicure as essential? It seems like it. As for stripping the supermarkets bare!! Arseholes!

What people deem essential. Bloody autocorrect!!

From my experience, part of the reason why people are still going out is that they don't understand why social distancing lowers the risk of spreading the virus. It was my daughter's last day of school yesterday and some of her year went to the pub. I asked my daughter why and she saix it was because they thought if anyone with symptoms is staying at home then it will be only healthy people mixing with each other. Equally, a lot of them have no medically vulnerable people in their immediate family and they assumed that no medically vulnerable people would risk being at the pub. According to my daughter, they all decided not to use public transport to get home so they wouldn't spread anything they might pick up in the pub on there. From their perspective, they were mixing with healthy people then going to their homes where noone vulnerable lives.

I think that people like explanations for why they aren't able to do things and no ome has explained to them clearly why social distancing prevents the disease spreading if the people you are spending time with are healthy. The mesaage from the media has just been stay at home and save lives without a deeper explanation as to why.

I have to go to work even though yesterday I spent 8 hours on my phone as there was fuck all to do

Is contact with abusive ex apathetic father essential? Final court hearing in a week! And now this...

Living with parents as enduring divorce. Dad suffers heart problems. Husband just an idiot. Court order Sunday each week. Know he's been out and business as usual this week. We've been isolating for all week. The order means I have to make son available. What do I do! Risk!