Page 3 | Self employed and renters have been completey shafted.

mement0mori · 20/03/2020 19:23

Getting knocked down for a bus, getting cancer, those sort of things self employed people should have been prepared for

This is a shitty attitude.

There is no reason why employed people shouldn't also have "been prepared" for loss of job or long term sickness etc. People are struggling in general to make ends meet and are forced to prioritise other things over preparing for when shit happens. There is absolutely no logical reason why the government should not extend assistance to SE people who will be just as much in need as the next person.

I have also lost 95% of my income in the matter of a week. I have never had any help from anyone in all my years of self-employment. Self-employed people cover their own sick pay, maternity pay, holiday pay, pensions, periods of unemployment etc. Only now they may need help like everyone else.

mement0mori · 20/03/2020 19:25

will rebates also be delayed?

I doubt it especially if you submit online.
I will be doing my husband's on the 6th April as he is also due a rebate and it will be very welcome this year!

KisforKoala · 20/03/2020 19:26

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feellikeanalien · 20/03/2020 19:26

The attitude towards the self-employed on the Rishi Sunak speech thread was truly disgusting. Apparently we should be grateful to be flung on to the mercies of the DWP when employees are sitting at home on 80% of their salary.

Not only will they be able to do that but the self-employed will now be able to fill all the supermarket jobs and other areas such as delivery drivers. When the crisis is over they can then be fired and fucked over once again.

I know that these are extraordinary times but as usual it is the less well off who will bear the brunt.

QuitMoaning · 20/03/2020 19:27

Genuine question,

What should be done to help the self employed and renters? And any other vulnerable groups?

How can the government help in these terrifying and unknown times?

Therollockingrogue · 20/03/2020 19:29

@quitmoaning the ideal solution would be a reasonable Ubi, universal basic income .

janelmac · 20/03/2020 19:32

Quitmoaning Norway are paying an income to the self employed based on their average declared income over the last 3 years

OwnedbyOdessa · 20/03/2020 19:35

@KisforKoala I don't think 2500 for a whole family is greedy and would be less than the 80% if two people in a family were employed but couldn't work as that would be 5k... Sorry for your situation.

The chancellor will have self employed people taking their lives over the stress of this if coronovirus doesn't get them first being made to work whilst ill.

I just want to echo the sentiment that self employed people do not get maternity/paternity leave to the level of the employed, sick pay, pay for the loss of a partner/child/relative and they do not get bank Holidays paid or pension contributions matched by their employer. So this is a complete kick in the teeth

Roselilly36 · 20/03/2020 19:35

I feel so sorry for self employed people, no one could have predicted & prepared for a pandemic of this scale. As usual government look after big businesses, and fail to see or acknowledge that small businesses are the backbone of this country IMHO.

OwnedbyOdessa · 20/03/2020 19:36

Or private health!

Wetfloortiles · 20/03/2020 19:36

Can self.employed/sole traders apply for a business interruption loan? My husband self employed. He's a gardener and so far people are still wanting him round luckily but I'm worried

NoraEphronsneck · 20/03/2020 19:36

Presumably DWP will be overwhelmed by applications so it could be months before you even know if you're going to get anything

mement0mori · 20/03/2020 19:37

the ideal solution would be a reasonable Ubi, universal basic income

This would have made the most sense I think.

grey261127 · 20/03/2020 19:38

Me and DH are self employed. Feel like we are being penalised and denied any security for our family in this situation. We pay our taxes and provide local people with jobs, and now we are ignored and left wondering how we are going to feed our families.
If our business closes we will have zero income but still all our outgoings.

I have emailed my mp, if anyone else feels the same and wants to do so too. I just don't know what else to do

PinkDaisyRoses · 20/03/2020 19:39

It’s a nightmare, a dystopian nightmare, I wholly agree

PinkDaisyRoses · 20/03/2020 19:40

I think they will have to pay the waged, a sum of money straight away.

PepePig · 20/03/2020 19:41

Does anyone know if you're unable to work due to it being too high risk (in a vulnerable group getting SSP), if you'll get 80% of your wage, too?

There's a huge difference between 80% and about £95 a week

PinkDaisyRoses · 20/03/2020 19:42

It is an absolute nightmare.i think I’m despairing

abbey44 · 20/03/2020 19:43

I'm self-employed, been trying to get a new business off the ground, but that's disappeared into thin air for the foreseeable future; downsized my house recently, again in an effort to reduce my costs, but the buyer for my old house has pulled out, so I have two houses to pay for now, and a rental property I have that was supposed to be a basic bread and butter income has also gone bad - the tenant was three months in arrears before all this started and sent a text to the agent this week to say ' tell the landlord I'm not paying rent for the next three months'...

I'm waiting to hear whether I'm eligible for a mortgage holiday, and I'm pretty sure I'm not entitled to any other help, so at the moment I have no idea what I'm going to do. It's a problem for everyone, in some way or another.

TabbyStar · 20/03/2020 19:47

The attitude towards the self-employed on the Rishi Sunak speech thread was truly disgusting. Apparently we should be grateful to be flung on to the mercies of the DWP when employees are sitting at home on 80% of their salary.

Yeah I gave up on that thread! I'm actually ok at the minute but lots of other people aren't. My business costs me about £800 a month to run before I've even paid housing costs, I don't think people get that. If I had a building is get a grant, but I don't, so nothing. Also all the "you chose to be self employed" shit, well yes but only because employers don't provide the flexibility for me to be a lone parent and care for elderly parent(s). I've been enterprising and I create bits of work for six other people, but no 80% of income for people like me.

Elizadoeslittle19 · 20/03/2020 19:55

@grey261127 ive emailed my MP too just asking if the chancellor can explain and justify how you can treat individuals so so differently by paying 1 80 % of their wage and another £94 a week.

To the posters that have said what should have been done differently. It should either have been a basic income for everyone, or a smaller % for the PAYE and maybe national minimum wage per week for the self employed. Something where the difference wasn't so HUGE.

My DP is self employed, pays his tax and National insurance on time, we have critical illness if he is sick, but insurance doesn't cover this.

YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus · 20/03/2020 19:56

Didn’t they say this week there would be a halt on all evictions?

Juicyfrooty · 20/03/2020 19:58

I've also emailed my MP.

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/03/2020 20:12

Apparently we should be grateful to be flung on to the mercies of the DWP when employees are sitting at home on 80% of their salary. But they're not. It doesn't apply to anyone laid off. And some large employers laid off a lot of people yesterday.

StillDisappointed · 20/03/2020 20:59

I'm with you OP. The ones on 80% are laughing at the SE and telling them to be grateful with what they've got.

£1600pm disparity, so many pushed into poverty; but it's no ones fault and everyone is apparently in this unprecedented situation 'together'.

Bollocks. The resentment is building.