Destroying the economy for what? We need to lockdown!!

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At the moment I feel like we are only half heartedly locking down. People are out and about - but not listening.

In the meantime we’ve taken kids out and people are losing their jobs! What needs to happen is the government needs to ENFORCE the lockdown to make all the others measures worth it - we seem to be destroying our economy for the sake of it at the moment because very few people are social distancing or taking this seriously.

The vast majority of adults and children will recover fully and the data from all countries supports that. If you have peer reviewed studies showing the alternative (ie adults and children with no underlying health conditions have died en masse, please do post them)

The vast majority of those elderly who have died in Italy had underlying health conditions. The Italians themselves have confirmed (for the purposes of modelling) that their numbers have been artificially inflated due to how they record deaths - anyone with Covid 19 has been recorded as dying of that even if the reason has been the underlying health condition.

There are very valid arguments that it is better to catch the virus know if you are otherwise well as, if you do have complications, the NHS is less overwhelmed. As it will ve when the Mrs Miggins types start flooding in. They could have been removed from the chain or they had consented to no hospital treatment at an earlier stage rather than being allowed to wander around at the moment with the expectation that they will be treated in secondary care when they become ill.

According to sky news, social distancing will happen for the majority of this year.
Is that even possible? People have lives they want to live.
It will impact everything. Let’s say someone’s wedding gets cancelled. Then their other half dies through whatever cause, they would not be entitled to any spouses pension.
I’m all for distancing and being sensible but I don’t know how I feel about having to put my life on hold

Plus it's not like the usual palliative care situation where you can call your GP out, have the difficult conversation about not wanting to die in hospital and instead being kept comfortable at home, and then be prescribed palliative end-of-life drugs like morphine and midazolam to ease your distress.

Your GP will not come to your home if you have COVID symptoms.

You will be left with nothing, while slowly suffocating. In most circumstances even those with a living will etc will phone 999 and end up in hospital

I’m all for distancing and being sensible but I don’t know how I feel about having to put my life on hold

@Polkadotties I think your feelings are shared widely at the moment - they certainly resonate with me.

But it has to be done to have a fighting chance of those needing hospital care having it when they need it. I know which outcome I prefer.

Agree op it's awful.

They've just been so slow on all this. This is what I find odd.
Why wait to get the ppe out of the warehouse?!

Definitely agree, OP!

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I think the law needs changing anyway on end of life palliative care... I'd rather be put out of my misery and go without being sent home to slowly die in opiates!

Yes, you're overruling the govt by locking down unilaterally (and you have to presume you stockpiled the loo roll too)
They don't want to lockdown, they're being forced into it because of hysterical people like you. That is why it's half-heartedly.
So go ahead, stockpile and ruin the economy with your own personal lockdown. Let's see how you get on when the rest of us are out and about in a week because we have to earn a living.

fivesecondrule

I had to go to the ATM the other day and the nearest one is in a usually busy tourist area. Most restaurants and pubs were were pretty empty. There was a group of three guys having a meal, but the ones left were mostly 70+. I think they find it harder to change their lifestyle as they tend to have the most disposable income and are used to being able to go where they want at anytime due to being retired. It's a massive change of lifestyle for them. I guess some might think that they've had their years, so if they go now who cares, but they forget that young people have heart conditions, CF, cancer, so it still affects them.

I want to take my son out for a walk later for the exercise as he has been stuck in and is getting fearful of going out - a deserted beach, so can keep the 2m distance very easily, but even I feel bad for that.

People classed as vulnerable saying they don't want a hospital bed in preference of younger people aren't getting it though. If you went in tomorrow and saw 20 empty beds, I'll bet you'd want one then. You could be in it for over a month. In the meantime, when the shit hits the fan in a couple of weeks, there will be thousands of people needing beds. So do you think they're going to turf you out when you're already receiving treatment?

According to sky news, social distancing will happen for the of this year.
Is that even possible? People have lives they want to live.

We'll have to learn to live differently.

The government have moved from talk about "herd immunity" to "squashing the sombrero". They still want to pursue the first path, they just want to look like they're actually doing something. Squashing the sombrero still means completely overloading the NHS. They should be looking at finding at eradicating this virus until we have a vaccine.

If they wanted people to stay in, would they "advise" against socialising?

If they wanted to close the schools, why would they allow families with just one out of two parents in key worker positions to keep their children there?

Because they want it to spread. They want to "get Corona done" before anyone else and turn it to an economic advantage over countries still in lockdown.

And we are the ones who will provide that herd immunity. Not their families.

Because they want it to spread. They want to "get Corona done" before anyone else and turn it to an economic advantage over countries still in lockdown.

I did find it fairly ridiculous when Boris said we'll "get corona done" in 12 weeks. He still wants to get back to Brexit. Does he really think the EU will make time for negotiations now? At least other countries seem to have their priorities right.

Nell, yours is the best post I've read all day! So true and we are sleep walking into it all.

For the people complaining about mums out with their small children (slight difference right now, they're not the ones being 'advised' to isolate) in comparison to the elderly (who are), wait until next week when there are no schools open-

If they dont implement a street authority presence when we're about to have millions of children (bored children!) out on the streets, watch what happens....they will not stay indoors btw-

Yes, to what nellodee is saying.

We are the cannon fodder. And this is a fine example of Boris Johnson leading from behind.

I feel for the young.
They have been screwed over so much and now this. I'm mid fifties and had enough of these selfish people and how this country has become. Not all , but so many are just out for themselves these days.
It's always been there but this crisis has exposed it even more so I think. I live in an area of ' I'm ok jacks' !
I guess a few think : ' had me time ' and I do get that attitude too. Live to your 90s and have dementia and spend your money on care homes? Some people would maybe rather not. It's selfish behaviour , but
everyone has different views of life.
I don't mean to offend anyone here. My mil wanted to die at 93. She'd had enough of people's behaviour too : only thing we agreed on at times!

There have been children at home where I live all week.

They're not staying at home they're all congregating and playing together, as of course, they will.

I think the advisory approach has been on purpose. Now so many people are DEMANDING LOCKDOWN. We needed a few days for it to sink in. Now we have the proof that our freedoms need to be suspended.

The vast majority of adults and children who get covid will be fine so long as no underlying health conditions. In fact, most of us will get it one way or another so avoiding it for otherwise well adult and children shouldn't actually be the focus

@Gobbolinothewitchscat Not every vulnerable person has family and friends to help them, and they need to go out occasionally. It’s not about Mrs Miggins being vulnerable - it’s about the other vulnerable people she could infect, either directly or indirectly (by passing the virus to a non-vulnerable person out shopping for vulnerable relatives, for example).

Vulnerable people covers a big range of people of all ages.

More than that, healthy people can be badly affected by the virus too. They have a better chance of surviving but they might have long term lung issues and infertility (males).

Quite apart from looking after people, we’re trying to stop the virus. Mrs Miggins & Co might be happy to die themselves, but while they’re merrily spreading the virus left, right and centre we’re all stuck in this shit situation of life being put on hold while we try to starve the virus of victims - and Mrs Miggins goes round merrily sabotaging our efforts by ensuring it continues to spread in our communities.

I think we've had it drummed into us that this affects the elderly and vulnerable and we all need to do our bit to help. Think most of us want to help but schools been open confused this- i.e we can't go out but there are classes of 30 kids in confined spaces, possibly with questionable hygiene habits during the day (thinking of my 8 yr old) who then come home into their family environment as potential spreaders.

For those of us who have been out during the week you'll probably have seen plenty of over 70s milling around appearing to carry on as normal. The issue is going to be when come Monday there are more parents having to be at home to look after their kids and realise that there is a good proportion of the people they are supposed to be protecting just carrying on as normal. So they're at home worrying about not being paid and their companies going under, whilst their DCs have lost potentially moths of education, not sitting exams etc the very people they are trying to help are just going about their normal behaviour. I think this is largely why Borris didn't want schools shutting straight away because he has no imminent intention of a lockdown.

One of the issues with everything I've just written is of course we're finding out this virus kills young people and younger people and children are needing acute treatment beds in hospitals. It's becoming a quite confused social situation.

There will be an angry backlash if they don't do something about it now.

While the retired 'vulnerable' group are merrily going about their lives, enjoying the freedom of an entitled 'silver hour' shopping, there has to be some way to make them understand why?

'Theres a nasty bug going round that only effects us (the elderly), that's why they (everyone under 70) have to stay indoors and keep us safe while we go out, til it blows over'....this is quite literally what a friend of MIL thinks this pandemic is....

It's not her fault, Boris has made it sound exactly like that!

Just been announced that pubs and restaurants have to shut, which will be a relief to many
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51981653

I think it's the only thing they could do really. Stay of work for potentially months to look after your kids now we've closed schools but don't worry about everyone going to the local in droves getting pissed because we've let pubs stay open... they're immune. Wasn't going to work really was it.

Really please when I heard this. Not a moment too soon.