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To say please don't go to your second home

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Beesisabuzzin · 19/03/2020 07:04

With talk of London going into lockdown tomorrow can I remind second home owners that Cornwall has one hospital. Devon has four hospitals. Where I live in Devon there is no food in any of the supermarkets. Please, please stay away, our communities cannot deal with an influx.

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HeartyGreenSalad · 19/03/2020 10:05

I live right on the coast and there are several large caravan parks , lots of parks on farms etc as well as holiday homes , the shops cant cope as it is . the queues to get in to them were blocking the coastal road this morning

MarshaBradyo · 19/03/2020 10:05

Firelink why is it better for you to go there?

MarshaBradyo · 19/03/2020 10:06

Mind you Saturday...

DinnerbytheR1ver123 · 19/03/2020 10:06

There is no ban on travel
Each person/family probably would have a different reason for travel

A couple of weeks ago, BBC radio had a program saying that some hospitals already operate at 100 percent capacity, but some extra capacity could be created

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 19/03/2020 10:06

Please, please don't go to the South West...

Hospitals are struggling already... And it is DIFFERENT to the south east... We just don't have the hospital beds AND an elderly population .... We don't want MORE people here!!

sunfloweryy · 19/03/2020 10:07

I live in a SW coastal town so I do have skin in the game, however it’s hugely ironic that ‘blue’ areas who overwhelmingly vote Tory have the neck to moan about their infrastructure and health services being overwhelmed. Well duh.

user1473878824 · 19/03/2020 10:08

@Firelink Not sure you read the tone of this thread very well.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 19/03/2020 10:08

We definitely have more than one hospital in Cornwall!

Community hospitals are not classed as secondary care hospitals - they do not have the acute beds, the ICU etc that is needed to deal with not just corona, but the variety of problems that you'd be admitted for. Acute services are different and you have one - Treliske.

OrangeSamphire · 19/03/2020 10:10

I'm an ex-Londoner. I totally get the desire to flee. I did when we had the London riots and I was home alone with my babies and there were tanks outside on the High Rd.

Now I live in Cornwall. Please don't come here. We have one acute hospital with an ED. It is not sufficient for the existing population size, let alone an influx of visitors.

I have friends who live in London who are on air bnb looking for rural homes to escape to. I really wish they wouldn't. I understand their individual fears but we all have to think of the bigger picture here.

Lynda07 · 19/03/2020 10:11

I think people should stay put and stick it out. However, prompted by another thread on the same subject, I was thinking if someone has a second home in the country with a garden, and is well, if they could pack their car with enough groceries and other supplies to last quite a while, they could drive to their other house and stay there without going into the town or village and eventually leave, without seeing other people. Some families have two cars which would make it easier to transport their goods. Just a thought. I'm staying where I am but can imagine the idea of a change of scene away from the rat race is desirable and if it could be effected without inconveniencing anyone else......

minipie · 19/03/2020 10:12

I can understand why those living in tiny gardenless flats in London with small children want to escape.

Annoyingly though, those aren’t the ones with second homes. It’s usually the ones who already have large London homes with gardens who have a country cottage. Maybe they could lend their houses to those stuck in high rise flats??

YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus · 19/03/2020 10:12

@TitsInAbsentia it is not a myth it’ll happen soon.

minipie · 19/03/2020 10:15

Lynda that only works if none of them gets ill enough to need medical attention. When they leave they won’t know if they are incubating the virus or not.

Also at the moment it’s pretty impossible to get and pack into your car enough groceries for an extended stay, what about fresh produce, are people really going to live off cans (not that you can buy cans at the moment). Realistically they would at least need to go out for food and so could spread it to the rural area that way.

SarahInAccounts · 19/03/2020 10:17

This may shock you, but us rural folk are capable of supporting ourselves. We don't need your money. Heck, we can even afford indoor toilets, electricity and hot and cold running water.

I'm every bit as rural as you are. I live in a leafy village in the shires. I need no second home.

But I'm sickened by the attitudes of those glad enough of the city dwellers' money when it suits them. And now trying to keep them away.

Aparthied anyone?

Becca19962014 · 19/03/2020 10:19

So anyone who is thinking of this is aware:

Healthboards in rural Wales are sending people home if they turn up asking for medical care or medications for chronic illness; that service was suspended last summer because of pressure on local services meaning locals couldn't get appointments

Those would be the ones who cover Gwynedd; Powys; Ceredigion, Penbrokeshire, Carmarthenshire for definite and I believe others are going to do the same thing. Nothing except main shops are open (so local shops/touristy things are all shut). And some of us are still coping with stormy weather and flooding, so if you're expecting to see the beach as in summer you won't. Especially the west wales coast; most beaches are being hammered by weather and shut for safety reasons.

GPs and pharmacies cannot cope with providing tourists with medication and treatment as well as locals - you will be told to go home and stay there, no treatment. It in no way compares with "summer". The nearest hospital to me was still cancelling non emergency operations due to winter admissions before this was implemented. Currently services are being cancelled for everyone except emergencies. To put in context; I've a terminal illness and cannot access any support for that. Everything is closed. You come here you'll have no food (next deliveries showing as ten days away), no additional medical supplies and risk needing to travel home for medical treatment.

IF and it is a big IF there is a lockdown stay where you are because if you leave you won't be able to go back and then what will you do?

And ignore stupid advertisers on Facebook and elsewhere - including MN!

In Wales we do not have electronic prescriptions so you cannot just get them sent to a local pharmacy. We are funded for those who live here only. Not second home owners. And yes caravan parks are advertising for people to stay, but like I said you get ill/need meds you'll be told to leave, and no the park/caravan you're staying in won't reimburse you.

This is due to lack of resources but also the extra money for the NHS is available is a grey area for NHS Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

Becca19962014 · 19/03/2020 10:20

"summer" as in the tourist season when things are much different.

Needmoresleep · 19/03/2020 10:21

This is why having people spreading the rumour about "London going in to lockdown" really isn't helpful, we could do with the PM busting the myth pronto.

Tits, you are wrong. My understanding is that the "myth" orignated the the FT. Not normally a source for wild and wacky stories. It will be in a day or two. I am assuming they first need to sort out the process by which we get permits to go to the shops. They are apparently moving troops in to help.

GirlYouHaveNoFaithInMedicine · 19/03/2020 10:22

I agree but a lot of people are incredibly selfish and will convince themselves that it is ok.

And then deny they have blood on their hands.

Orangeblossom78 · 19/03/2020 10:24

In the Times today on this:

Affluent families desperate to escape towns and cities are offering tens of thousands of pounds to the owners of country properties around Britain to find sanctuary in the coronavirus crisis.

Estate agents have reported being inundated with calls from wealthy Londoners daunted by the prospect of working from home while looking after children who are off school in a city shut by the virus. Some are said to be willing to pay up to £50,000 a month, causing resentment among people in rural locations.

Jamie Jamieson, who owns a property search company, said: “I have had calls from six families looking for homes in Suffolk and two for Norfolk in the last two days. They want homes with more space than they have in London, preferably with a garden where the kids can play. They don’t mind what it costs.”

Some have offered to pay a year’s rent up front. Guy Bradshaw of UK Sotheby’s International, said some were willing to pay £50,000 a month. The idea has not been popular with people living in the areas.

John Thompson, 74, who lives in the Lake District and says he has an immune disorder, complained on Facebook about social media posts “openly encouraging people to come to the Lakes”. He said: “I am the very type that will be facing ‘end of life’ if I contract this virus . . . I understand people losing money, I do, but we are dealing here with life and death situations.”

He added that he despaired when he “looked at the many walkers going past my front door”.

A Welsh MP has even called for a travel ban to stop owners of second homes moving to the countryside during the crisis.

Liz Saville Roberts, the Plaid Cymru MP for Dwyfor Meirionnydd on the northwest Welsh coast, said the government should designate such travel plans as “non-essential” and that anyone self-isolating should do so at their main home where they were likely to be closer to support networks.

“People who have holiday homes in the area are seeing Gwynedd as being free of coronavirus and deciding to relocate here,” she said.

Joanna Cocking, head of prime and country sales for Hamptons International, said she had been asking clients wishing to sell their homes whether they would consider letting instead.

She has also asked owners of country properties with cottages or outbuildings whether they might be able to let them out, and contacting the owners of empty properties, “some of who are stuck abroad”, to see whether they would be willing to rent them to those fleeing the capital.

Eloise Duckworth, 55, who lives in a seven-bedroom house in the Cotswolds, said she had had offers from two families within the space of a few hours on Tuesday afternoon. She said they were willing to pay up to £30,000 a month to rent her home but Ms Duckworth, who has three children, chose to stay put.

“These families were desperate to get out of London as quickly as possible,” she said. “But I just thought if we all get ill, it’s better that we are all stuck here together because everyone will need their own room. It just wasn’t going to work.”

Henrietta Harwood-Smith, co-founder of the PR agency Maison, is among those struggling to find a place to rent. She wanted to leave London with her husband and four-year-old daughter to be nearer her parents in Gloucestershire, but said she had only managed to get a two-week holiday let, which she hoped to extend.

“All we could find was two weeks,” she said. “We just want to go somewhere less densely populated than London and we would like to be close to my parents. Even if we can’t visit them we can pick up shopping and be on hand to help.”

Many people are using any spare space available to put up loved ones. Ms Cocking said: “We are seeing people use property they might once have rented for family and friends. We have one couple who have a sizeable annexe but who have had their daughter and family move in with them.”

Icecreamdiva · 19/03/2020 10:24

To be fair, there’s move CV in the area of our second home (near Hove) than our main home but even if there weren’t, we’d be staying home for now. The only thing that might lure me down to the South coast atm is the thought of the big box of loo rolls in the airing cupboard there!

Baaaahhhhh · 19/03/2020 10:24

So what's everyone's view about DCs all leaving London to go home. Every one of Dds friends have decamped home this week already. They were all in flat shares, and all their companies closed on Monday. They have already dispersed around the country.

DD doesn't feel well this morning Sad.

ReceptacleForTheRespectable · 19/03/2020 10:25

they will be ostracised. Local shops are planning to ask for proof of residence and any community schemes are hardly likely to prioritise selfish 2nd home owners

Glad to hear this. Only the most selfish would think it was appropriate to travel across the country to a rural area right now.

MarshaBradyo · 19/03/2020 10:26

Orange they must be incredibly loaded. Even families I know in London who are top earners would balk at that at this time of economic uncertainty. And if they are that rich they should have the space here.

Becca19962014 · 19/03/2020 10:28

Also, it isn't only people wanting to escape it's idiots advertising their caravan/hotel/b&b as well.

Last weekend we had six, yes six, coach loads of tourists turn up, because we didn't have a case. This morning a coach load of tourists are having an argument with their guide outside my flat because everything is closed and it's "boring" given the shops that are open barely have anything on the shelves. It's been the same for the last two days apparently.

Yes the tourists should have known better but so should the coach companies. I'm sure they'll continue turning up giving our lovely packed village in the summer bad reviews because everywhere is closed this year - despite it being the same everywhere!

Yes rural life, here at least, when the touristy things are closed and the weather is poor (freezing and raining today) isn't exciting.

Smoothyloopy · 19/03/2020 10:29

*we definitely have more than one hospital in Cornwall.

We have 1 acute hospital in Cornwall which barely manages in a normal summer with the influx of visitors.

We have also had a limited number of recorded cases of corona virus at the moment. If people stay where they are hopefully some areas of the country can remain relatively unaffected. It is also worth pointing out we have a higher than average older population, as do many seaside areas of the country.

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