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Where is the uproar against the government: last week they announced a strategy that would kill 250,000
Iloveknockknockjokes · 18/03/2020 22:25
www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/terrifying-data-behind-government-coronavirus-lockdown/
I haven't heard many people outraged at this. Surely they should be held to account.
Am missing something? This is not new data. We knew the percentage of coronavirus patients that needed ICU beds from other countries and the amount of ventilators the NHS have is fixed. They had months to prepare. They went revealed a completely different reckless strategy to everywhere else and then just said four days later: we've reanalysed and are going to do the same now as WHO advised /other countries with more experience. I'm seriously worried that lost days will count for thousands of lives. I work in NHS and will have to deal with this mess.
mctagmcbag · 18/03/2020 22:33
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IStressheadI · 18/03/2020 22:34
Agreed. They took way too long to respond and then fumbled around while people are getting sicker.
But hey at least we can wait 3 months before getting evicted! 
Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 18/03/2020 22:35
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Iloveknockknockjokes · 18/03/2020 22:41
Great arguments smile and mctag..thanks for your input.
mac12 · 18/03/2020 22:42
@Iloveknockknockjokes I share your rage. Almost out of battery but just posting to agree 100% I am so angry. They based their research on the wrong fucking disease, ignored clinical data from China & completely missed the point about the high hospitalisation rate. Don’t get me started on herd immunity.
Every delay - and we had weeks and weeks to be better prepared - will be counted in actual lives. History will not judge our politicians Nor its advisors kindly.
Cornettoninja · 18/03/2020 22:42
This is outrage for the aftermath. There’s a lot stacking up against various governments across the world. This crisis has shone a spotlight on a lot of uncomfortable cracks.
Iloveknockknockjokes · 18/03/2020 22:46
I feel so so angry. How will I cope with seeing patients suffer as there is no ICU bed and me knowing it was possibly/probably avoidable. And the same people are still making the decisions.
TolpuddleFarter · 18/03/2020 22:47
I don't understand why people are telling you to fuck off 
This strategy and slow action is going to kill people.
CalmYoBadSelf · 18/03/2020 22:47
This is a time for people to pull together, not to score points
Iloveknockknockjokes · 18/03/2020 22:51
I agree calm but I am worried the same people are still there after a major mistake like this. Whoever was in charge of working out the death rate for their strategy. Pretty important thing to get right.
ThunderboltandLightning · 18/03/2020 22:52
Oh, I have been railing and raging IRL. They have had THREE pandemic preparedness exercises in the last decade. All of them highlighted the ventilator issue. They did nothing. Ignored it. Buried their heads. Carried on in-fighting. Took us out of Europe and mutual agreements to support each other. They sat and watched what was happening elsewhere for the last 2 months, and still did nothing. I am so far beyond incandescent with rage.
ChequerBoard · 18/03/2020 22:52
I agree OP.
The big delay in moving to isolation and social distancing measures combined with the ongoing disaster of the lack of testing means we have lost control and safe fighting this virus 'blind'.
Seemingly it's OK to let those that masterminded these epic failures in charge of the country as we move into an unprecedented time of crisis?
mctagmcbag · 18/03/2020 22:56
They are adapting their strategy based on science and real-time data. When the 260k was modelled they rebased their strategy on the information at hand.
Personally I think they are being too restrictive and should have kept the schools open, but in the end they were being thwarted by teachers playing truant and acting in their own selfish interest
mac12 · 18/03/2020 22:57
I don’t think people are scoring points. We’re justifiably angry. A national tragedy is unfolding that could have been massively ameliorated by better advice, listening to China & WHO & planning to shut down, test & trace. And this isn’t brexit or general election or hs2 - these are pop up morgues, mass graves & traumatised NHS workers. Not to mention the death & hardship that will come with the economic collapse.
Yes, I am angry. I don’t care how these people vote or their ideologies - they have all let us down in the most profound way.
Iloveknockknockjokes · 18/03/2020 23:00
What new data mctag? I think 'new data' is a smokescreen. Huge amounts of data were available on this disease. We had a head start. The surge capacity was fixed for months as they were doing nothing to increase it.
LeeMiller · 18/03/2020 23:02
Agreed OP. I feel like arrogance played a big role, why were they ignoring advice from WHO and China, Italy, South Korea etc? Also, even if they got the death rate wrong it still must surely have been modelled as leading to a huge number of deaths? Have they released that modelling? Aiming for herd immunity would mean a massive amount of deaths even with an extremely optimistic death rate, surely? Yet that was acceptable, apparently.
Not to mention the shambolic messaging, u-turns, unclear advice and time-wasting.
mctagmcbag · 18/03/2020 23:03
The 260k prediction was only modelled in the last couple of days, it wasnt previously available. If you want to complain about someone have a go at the advisors but I think your time would be more productively spent getting behind the country
agentstarling · 18/03/2020 23:05
The whole thing is a complete disgrace and a farce but most people are too worried about cv to think about politics right now.
Iloveknockknockjokes · 18/03/2020 23:07
Mctag still don't see why that figure was not available....given hospitalisation rates in other countries/population/ICU beds
Iloveknockknockjokes · 18/03/2020 23:07
I don't care about politics I just want a competent scientist in charge of the science
WhoWants2Know · 18/03/2020 23:12
"Playing truant?"
That's an appalling thing to say.
Following the government guidance for people in vulnerable categories isn't truancy.
Self isolating with symptoms to prevent spreading infection isn't truancy.
Foobydoo · 18/03/2020 23:13
Many on here spoke out against 'the science' and were shouted down by blind government cheerleaders.
It was so obvious that 'the science' would be a disaster that I can only assume it was a deliberate plan.
Thank God it was challenged, I just hope we are not too late now.
mac12 · 18/03/2020 23:16
Mctag the science has not changed. It has been there since January from China. Whitty, imperial & co got it wrong. They pivoted because other people were brave enough to shout out - and take a lot of flack for doing so - and because in the end the mathematics of this disease, including its hospitalisation rate, meant they had to change course.
Flaxmeadow · 18/03/2020 23:44
The Government are right. Thank you also for keeping children under social services care in school. Credit where it's due
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