Where is the uproar against the government: last week they announced a strategy that would kill 250,000

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www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/terrifying-data-behind-government-coronavirus-lockdown/

I haven't heard many people outraged at this. Surely they should be held to account.
Am missing something? This is not new data. We knew the percentage of coronavirus patients that needed ICU beds from other countries and the amount of ventilators the NHS have is fixed. They had months to prepare. They went revealed a completely different reckless strategy to everywhere else and then just said four days later: we've reanalysed and are going to do the same now as WHO advised /other countries with more experience. I'm seriously worried that lost days will count for thousands of lives. I work in NHS and will have to deal with this mess.

I completely agree. It is very strange that there hasn't been uproar about this.

I think it must be because everyone is trying to support each other just to get through each day - we're all in this together etc

Also everything is moving so fast that it's difficult to remember what happened the day before.

I'm very aware of the mistakes our governments and their so called experts have made that have made this mess even greater ... but I also keep forgetting because of the rapid change of events.

When this is all over and sorted I think then the outrage and uproar will start.

People would just much rather believe the comfortable lie that Boris was competent and it’s not his fault, Britain is special, everything will be all right.

The idea that thousands of people will die who wouldn’t have otherwise is a very uncomfortable thought and people don’t have the bandwidth for it.

but in the end they were being thwarted by teachers playing truant

WTAF?!
when you bandy around statements like this you completely lose all credibility in your argument.
So what, everyone should follow self isolation advise EXCEPT teacher??

Fucking crazy

@mctagmcbag I think your comment about teachers playing truant must be a goad.

The truth is that while children may have mild symptoms, they still have the potential to pass it on to staff and other children who may have health issue.
So no teachers don't play truant! Like everyone else the government guidelines apply to them too.

There has been an uproar. Lots of scientists have written to the government; the editor of the Lancet published open letters. WHO spoke. During the weekend #Boristhebutcher was trending on Twitter.

I have a theory about this. Boris doesn't have a habit of thinking: Cummings does it for him. I think Cummings is at the root of the original plan: take it on the chin, let it rip through population. It would chime with his ideology: poor and old will die off in greater numbers, together with people who don't pay attention, don't analyse facts, don't have guts to act against the gov.advice, don't have resources to to do so, etc. Social Darwinism they say?

And then, when it turned out the scientific community wasn't having it and was demanding the release of modelling, and it turned out ordinary people could do a few calculations and weren't happy to just get on with dying, Cummings was side lined - there was a change of strategy.

Questions remain: who is doing the thinking now? And where was Whitty in all of this?

Number 10 (aka Cummings) refused to allow the Department of Health to go to Coronovirus meetings with their EU counterparts.

I'm fucking livid. I want those responsible hung out to dry when this is over.

Questions remain: who is doing the thinking now? And where was Whitty in all of this?

I don't think Whitty looks at all comfortable when he speaks. Of course anyone in his position would be shitting themselves. However - I have a strong suspicion that he himself is being treated like a puppet - he's spouting what he's been told to say.

I think the truth will come out after this is all over.

Nelly
I agree. Whitty sometimes looks just embarrassed.

People are in shock of this globalist take over! get ready to beg for food from the global governments, this will never end because people are lapping up the fear pawn.

The Herd Immunity experiment is a nonsense because immunity comes from vaccines, gaining immunity though infections takes generations and generations the ramification of this will be incalculable.

It's Criminal Negligence (The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner).

Mctag still don't see why that figure was not available....given hospitalisation rates in other countries/population/ICU beds

Doesn't it vary fairly massively from country to country? South Korea has the most palatable figures.

Yes it's 1% now. At one stage it was lower at 0.7%. Infecting 60% UK population at that rate gives 277,000 deaths.....can thats with all getting best care and the system not being overwhelmed

I have found Lancet editors Twitter page now....thanks to whomever said about his open letter. V interesting. Science didnt change, and vallance lied about meeting named critics......yet still in charge.

@istherelifeafter40
Yeah, I have exactly the same theory. Basically that the government thinking is that if we just let the susceptible die without much fight there will be no problem. Happy I am not the only one to think it. The general public perhaps doesn’t understand it but in reality predicting the number of affected people wasn’t hard since we knew estimates for the rate of spread for some weeks, and people standing next to Johnson at these press conferences undoubtedly understood it just as well as I and my colleagues do.

I felt very down for the last week because I thought that the British public would just get on with the plan and accept this essential mass cull because our betters have designed the plan and if grandma cannot get the ventilator or indeed cannot even go to the hospital, well we all have to sacrifice
and she just needs to take it on the chin.

I have to say I feel much better since the announced “change of course” but the government still looks very weak, the quarantine isn’t enforced, nhs staff isn’t tested and the financial measures aren’t well formulated. I am hoping the army will be drafted to take charge of enforcing quarantine and delivering supplies...so we will avoid total collapse.

Hmm, it's a fair point. I suppose it depends on whether the immediate isolation strategies put in place by other countries significantly reduce the spread once the lockdowns finish. If so then I daresay there will be an enquiry of some sort on the other side of all this.

I think they are relying in the stupidity of the masses once again. Like with Brexit.

I am really angry too at the horrendous failures, I agree it is criminal negligence and I hope that people will be held to account. Where I struggle, and I may well be wrong, is with them ever having a plan to kill of lots of people wilfully or with political purpose. Presiding over mass deaths doesn't win elections surely. I also strongly dislike some of these politicians but I don't think they are all psychopaths. I guess whatever the motive it amounts to the same thing.

@mctagmcbag

The Imperial College modelling may only have been performed last week, but it's been obvious for weeks to any layman taking an interest in developments in China and Italy that a 'do nothing' approach was criminally negligent, and would invariably lead to a catastrophic number of needless deaths in the UK.

I posted on this site last week that just going off the numbers the govt were talking about, i.e. 60-80% of the population contracting it at some point, that's 39-40 million people in the UK. 5-6% of all cases elsewhere in the world become critical, so some 2 - 2.5 million cases in the UK, and somewhere around 1% fatal, so up to 500,000 deaths.

These stats have been available for weeks. I didn't do any 'modelling', just simple arithmetic. There's nothing about 'being British' that means Covid-19 would act any differently in the UK population as it did elsewhere, so if I could figure this out using nothing more than common sense and High School arithmetic, how the hell can the govt be excused for their utter stupidity?

I agree with you, OP. History will judge us harshly.

Crufts- 155,000 human attendees

Cheltenham Festival- 250,000 total attendance (averaging 60k daily)

Stereophonics concert- 5000

Lewis Capaldi concert in Aberdeen- 11,000 attendees

Bath Half marathon -6000 runners

Incubation period: 7-14 days.

Scary thing is that talking to “in the know” friends/people connected to government I was being told to trust the experts. They actually trusted what we were being told and have put themselves at risk as a result.

‘Normal’ ordinary people without any scientific training could see what was coming.

It’s all back to front.

I don't think Whitty looks at all comfortable when he speaks. Of course anyone in his position would be shitting themselves. However - I have a strong suspicion that he himself is being treated like a puppet - he's spouting what he's been told to say.

I completely agree on this. I said over a week ago to my wife that there is no way that I trust what Vallance says, after watching him on Sky News, it confirmed it in my mind even more.

Chris Whitty I do trust and yes, he is looking very uncomfortable with some of the things being said. I see he was absent again yesterday, replaced by a deputy. To be fair the Chancellor didn't need to be there on Tuesday either, everything he said could/should have been said in the Commons in the same way the Ed Secretary did yesterday. Will be interesting to see if he is there this afternoon.

@mctagmcbag

‘New data? Only if they’d been napping

China gave us an opportunity to prepare & prevent, we ignored it. Making ventilators now is all well & good, but they wasted 2 months doing jack shit.

Masks,alcohol hand sanitiser, masks, better PPE, ICU beds etc. It all could have been prepped & more people on hand to test, lick down the boarders etc.

Any hit to the economy would have been easier to sort out than a rampaging fucking virus. The money they’re putting in to the economy now would have been better spent with a healthy population who were impressed with their govts actions.

‘Many if your loved ones will die before their time’ because they want to look like hero’s that knew better than WHO, China, Seth Korra & the actual specialists - rather than the specialists that suited their economic plan.

That many of your loved ones will die speech will be what Boris will be remembered for. A far cry from the man who sorted Brexit that he was going for and I think he absolutely will be known as Butcher Boris.

This will need to be dealt with when we eventually come out the other side of this and the shock has worn off a bit.

You think this pop up morgue in London really just popped up? They’ve been prepared for hundreds of thousands of deaths, as per their original plan.

To be fair the Chancellor didn't need to be there on Tuesday either, everything he said could/should have been said in the Commons in the same way the Ed Secretary did yesterday.

As someone who runs my own business and is terrified about the financial implications of all this, I totally disagree. I was reassured by the chancellor’s speech and thought it was totally appropriate and right that he was there. I’m tuning into the coronavirus special news programme every afternoon for updates.