Just spoke to a friend in Italy...

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And I'm really concerned that people are saying England will follow suit.

I know a lot of people already know but it's hard to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak.

She's not allowed to leave her house and must have a permit to go shopping/walk the dog etc. They are not allowed to socialise with anyone outside her only company is her neighbour in her apartment block. She can't even visit her elderly parents in the next province over at a risk of 3 months in jail if she attempts to.
The doctors are having to basically make decisions who lives and who dies due to lack of hospital beds and supplies and are mainly prioritising the young, leaving the elderly unaided. She's saying it's like a war without the weapons.

People in England are saying this will blow over but when and at what cost?
I still hear people spouting percentages how the healthy/young/fit are most likely to be fine and they're just going about their day and even trying to book holidays.

Can someone realistically give me a best case/worst case scenario we are facing here?

DP is trying to convince me to keep the DCs off school even though our schools are open and trying to say we shouldn't see our parents for now too.

It’s unlikely that it will peak for another 10 weeks apparently, then probably a second peak 4 weeks later so that takes us to third week of June, at the earliest hence the four month lockdown.
I’m high risk, very frail elderly parents live 25 miles away, have carers coming in but if carers become ill I really don’t know what will happen. They certainly won’t survive catching the virus.
Am I supposed to never see them again?
Honestly don’t know what to do or think.

Poland has less than 100 REPORTED cases. What else do people die from in Poland?

medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

This give a comprehensive explination action of how & why with numbers

We're carrying on as normal for the main part. We're not very social though. My inlaws are very sensibly self-isolating. My stance will change depending on clinical advice though.

I can honestly say that this is the first time in all my 43 years that I have been scared, not much bothers me and I’ve never suffered anxiety, dh is as level headed as they come but he is also worried.

@magicrainbowbeans

She's not allowed to leave her house and must have a permit to go shopping/walk the dog etc. They are not allowed to socialise with anyone outside her only company is her neighbour I'm a lone parent, this is how I've lived for years now. Finding it strange so many people so scared of isolation when they are describing my life on a permanent basis.

So you dont go out, you dont go shopping or socialise? You know that's not compulsory for lone parents.

There's always 1

it's awful awful but how do the staff decide save the child or save the pensioner - what would anyone do in that situation. If you had the choice of saving your elderly mother's life or your child's life.

That's not a very realistic scenario based on what we know so far. Children get this disease incredibly mildly in almost all cases. They are not likely to require hospitalisation. Making a decision between older people and slightly less old adults is more realistic.

Based on reports this morning that someone has tested positive twice ‘herd immunity’ might not be an option

Some people get chicken pox twice just because a few people get this twice doesn't mean it's impossible to achieve herd immunity.

The other issue is that we don’t know what the long term effects of this might be. I’m sure I read somewhere that it might cause infertility?

I'm in the U.S. Schools are closed, libraries are closed, theaters aren't running shows, a town nearby has been told to self-quarantine--the shit's getting real, even if we have a microphone-licking baboon for a president.

I'd love to know how they're going to find the room in prisons for people that defy the ban.

They're overcrowded as it is!

I guess we could go for total true lockdown Wuhan style, with army patrolling the streets to enforce it, for expected but might be extended 3-8 weeks. IN meantime, only legal residents allowed to enter UK, and those legal residents must do a minimum 2 week quarantine before allowed out.

I am pretty sure that lots of people think that's reasonable. DS is peeved that his leave from Army may be cut short. At least he wouldn't be adverse to shooting any looting scrotes. Be careful what you wish for.

I'm in Spain and we are now on full lockdown. We can only go out to buy food, the pharmacy and help elderly relatives. There are 8 reasons, but they boil down to that really. Unspecified fines for infringements.

The UK can't hide from CV, it's coming.

It is a really bad job when you wish you had Trump in charge, rather than your own prime minister.

I'm worried that here in Ireland we're shutting up shop while we have an open boarder with the UK, who appear to be doing nothing.

this is set to go on for months, the peak being June.

Quite a few people across the world have tested positive for a second time after recovering from it the first time.

Myself, I will follow the rest of the world and ignore our totally incompetent prime minister. My son is doing GCSEs and my dughter in year 7 but I have a compromised immune system due to chemo and other suppressants. I have had pneumonia 5 times in 4 years and so this would realistically kill me. My kids will not be going back to school until after easter. We will be staying at home. Luckily , I have already got enough supplies for 3-4 weeks as I get sick so often so know to be stocked up at all times. Looks like my husband will be going to work and staying with his friend. Its going to be hard but atleast he can still work and get us shopping etc. He can also walk the dogs late at night etc while we are upstairs. Luckily ( ?!) he has OCD so is already very focused on hand hygiene and germs. But I hope to go he doesnt get sick as he also has heart issues and is a lot older than me. He said this morning, realistically he is the expendable one. He is insured, almost 60 and our kids need their mum more than their dad. Its bozare times that we need to talk like that as the government does not seem to give a shit and is going against the rest of the world.

@nellodee It is a really bad job when you wish you had Trump in charge, rather than your own prime minister.

This was my exact thought also

Good luck, AtAt123. I think you are doing exactly the right thing.

I'd love to know how they're going to find the room in prisons for people that defy the ban.
You get a fine, not prison.

Are there still delivery of urgent things in lockdown zones? Eg food if you are housebound? Or us that shut off? Would be better for the delivery drivers, to keep them safe too. But it means you could run into problems if you cant leave the house but arent ill enough for hospital.

Save the child. I would have thought that it was blindingly obvious

No, it's not blindingly obvious. If we are looking at individual cases rather than a blanket 'oh just let the fogies die', there would be instances where it was better for society to save the older person.

Some people claiming their pension still have living parents themselves - and they may receive care from the older person. Maybe they care for a spouse, a sibling or an adult child. Letting this person die would have a bigger impact on society.

People in England are saying this will blow over but when and at what cost?

I am British but I no longer live there and as far as I can see England is the only country with this attitude. Everywhere else people are taking this very seriously.

@AtAt123

sounds scary for your family - prayers and best wishes for you