Does anyone think Boris is right?

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I'm not saying I do. But I'm curious to see if anyone agrees with the strategy they're going for as most of what I'm reading is against.

This is quite interesting

I believe someone with good knowledge of viruses thought of herd immunity with a live virus, but then the bureaucrats have gone and done this.

Yes. Probably.

No. Herd immunity is for vaccination programmes not pandemics.

No and Borris knows it too. It's all about the post Brexit economy

Give the man a break

What? The man, who took us out of the EU in full knowledge there was a threat to the lives of British citizens? You know I could forgive him backing leave for his own gain. But I cannot forgive him taking us out of the EU irrevocably on 31st January 2020 knowing it had already spread to the four corners of the earth and it was only a question of time before it started killing people on home soil.

That man. That scum. No no. NO

Yes, I do.

Lockdown for the whole country is not a solution - or at least not one that can be sustained long term. You have to let people out pretty quickly or the country's economy will crash. People need to work. Kids need to be educated. Humans are social animals who need to interact for their own sanity.

I actually think this plan - to isolate the most vulnerable while everyone else keeps the country going AND hopefully creates herd immunity to protect them - is the best option. It's not perfect, but nothing is, so we have to choose the least worst option. I actually admire the govt for not doing the knee-jerk 'CLOSE THE BORDERS, LOCK EVERYONE IN THEIR OWN HOMES' strategy that most other countries are going for. This crisis isn't going to end in a couple of weeks - it's going to go on and on for the next year or more - so we need a long-term strategy.

I think we are doing the right thing at the moment.

What? The man, who took us out of the EU in full knowledge there was a threat to the lives of British citizens? You know I could forgive him backing leave for his own gain. But I cannot forgive him taking us out of the EU irrevocably on 31st January 2020 knowing it had already spread to the four corners of the earth and it was only a question of time before it started killing people on home soil.

And how would still being in the EU being helping us fight CV right now? How is being in the EU helping Italy, France and Spain?

In fact WTAF are you talking about?

And how would still being in the EU being helping us fight CV right now?

Quite! Truly bizarre.

Being in the EU would mean we got preferential treatment on the rolling out of any new vaccine.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-vaccine-delays-brexit-ema-expensive

No

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR1UMty91RacrPEUbY13dF21bGblhknIwVj4s4HQXnXKnUkj4aOA8lQPmVo

I posted this on another thread but I fitted a basic log graph and worked out the time for cases to double, which was between two and three days. I then used this factor to calculate how long we will take to get to 1 million cases and it is about 26 days.

I hope they can make a lot of ventilators very quickly, and that the virus does not mutate when it is mixing with all the other viruses in our bodies.

I think one point people are missing is that despite ICU care the patients have died, nearly all of them were over 80.The only way to successfully prevent death is to quarantine the vulnerable until vaccines are available. Unfortunately even then they may not be effective for the over 80s.
All 70-80 year olds are currently offered the shingles vaccine. They don’t offer it to the over 80s because it doesn’t work. It may not be a serious disease but it demonstrates the problem with holding out for vaccines, along with the inevitable mutation of the virus.
The Chinese government has a lot to answer regarding its great cover up job.

I think he made it pretty clear

Being in the EU would mean we got preferential treatment on the rolling out of any new vaccine.

From your link;

“The UK could, in theory, choose to recognise any approval decision made by the EMA to prevent delays, but this seems at odds with the UK government’s pledge to ‘take back control’."

I think we could make an exception on this one occasion.

Clavinova and Nellodee,

I think there is a huge Folie de Grandeur in your beliefs about the great EU. Why on Earth do you believe the EU will come up with a vaccine?! My first guess is China, closely followed by the US, with even the combined brains of Cambridge, Oxford and Imperial (and the business parks around them) coming in at 100/1 (a team at Imperial have a trial vaccine now), far ahead of anyone in the EU.

It could well be whether we are prepared to share our vaccine with the EU, rather than the other way around.

The Chinese government has a lot to answer regarding its great cover up job
Indeed!

leafyygreens
The writer in your link says we "should instead look to the example of South Korea, which, through a combination of intense surveillance and social distancing, appears to have gained some semblance of control over the virus."

If only it were that easy;

"South Korea is also enforcing a law that grants the government wide authority to access data: CCTV footage, GPS tracking data from phones and cars, credit card transactions, immigration entry information, and other personal details of people confirmed to have an infectious disease."

No

UY,

What difference would it have made? We have been wasting time since we have known, hoping rather than planning.

After an initial dither, the Chinese have been open and shared information and research.

A pandemic is not the time for blame. This is a time for scientists to work together to minimise the impact.

Yes, I think he is doing the right thing. Even though I don't like him.

Why on Earth do you believe the EU will come up with a vaccine?!

I don't - read the pp's link - it's about markets and the European Medicines Agency.

Why on Earth do you believe the EU will come up with a vaccine?!

The Americans clearly believe that CureVac (a German company) are well on the way.