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Does anyone think Boris is right?

477 replies

Emcont · 15/03/2020 08:37

I'm not saying I do. But I'm curious to see if anyone agrees with the strategy they're going for as most of what I'm reading is against.

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themarkofthemaker · 15/03/2020 13:13

I think people have to think about the end game of when this first wave of infections are over. What about countries that have been in lockdown, when they reopen they will likely have a second wave and need to lock down again. It's unsustainable.

confusedandtired99 · 15/03/2020 13:18

No

keepmoving · 15/03/2020 13:19

Yes at this stage, never in a month of Sundays did I think I would agree with anything this gov did.

Isolating those most at risk makes sense, although delivering this will not be easy, nor would I want to sit inside for months. Not sure there is a right answer.

4cats2kids · 15/03/2020 13:26

I have listened to various experts. Herd immunity is possible, but not certain is my understanding.

It’s a gamble.

With the lives of the sick, elderly and even a few young and healthy people.

TonTonMacoute · 15/03/2020 13:26

@alloutoffucks

Yes, pathological hatred. Have you not RTFT? How long will it be before these same people are screeching in protest at 'evil' Boris banning people from visiting elderly relatives who are dying?

The vast majority of scientists do NOT agree with the UK government approach.

Really? The vast majority? How on earth do you know? Are they all virologists? I know many scientists and their views do vary on this. None of them are experts in this field by the way.

After Swine Flu the UK government consulted with a range of experts and devised a strategy for what to do during the next pandemic and this is basically the strategy they are implementing now. There simply isn't an option which involves nobody dying unfortunately. If there was it would be a no brainer.

As a matter of interest what do you think the 'right' policy is?

somanydevices · 15/03/2020 13:29

That is the scientific view

Anyone who thinks there is a single "scientific view" doesn't understand how science works.

alloutoffucks · 15/03/2020 13:33

@TonTonMacoute
200 scientists who have written to the government disagree with UK.
WHO disagree with UK.
Many respected scientists and virologists have spoken out and being interviewed who disagree with UK
A handful agree with UK.

thatgingergirl · 15/03/2020 13:34

Yes, it makes sense to me. I've been watching what is happening in The Netherlands - they have a similar number of cases to us, but something less than a third of our population and they're not in lockdown. They have in the last couple of days put restrictions on gatherings and asked people to work from home if possible, and for the vulnerable to avoid gatherings and public transport, but schools are open. I think that is how it will go in the next 7/10 days for the UK, but I do think steady, increasing measures/restrictions is the right thing.

SallyWD · 15/03/2020 13:35

No...

alloutoffucks · 15/03/2020 13:37

And other countries have contained the virus. But because the residents of those countries are largely not white, somehow it does not seem to count. Instead people keep saying it is impossible to contain the virus. Those pesky foreigners have shown that is not true.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2020 13:38

All honestly. Just read what people are posting back to you. Those countries had insight after SARS.

Everycloud12 · 15/03/2020 13:39

I agree with the government position - I'm not a scientist btw. What they're saying does seem to make sense.

I do feel that many over 70s aren't taking enough responsibility for their own health. I would go as far as to say that if you're in an at risk category and have failed to self isolate through choice, then if you do end up on a ventilator it is the height of selfishness.

nellodee · 15/03/2020 13:40

Here is my perfect policy.

People of Britain, we are in a situation we have never seen before. What is at stake is hundreds of thousands of lives. We are going to ask a lot from you.

You have heard that we need to slow this down. We do. Our NHS will collapse under the pressure of this. Even if we do everything, the pressure on them is going to enormous. The best way we can do this is to have a short period of time when everyone apart from essential workers are isolated. This isolation will not be perfect, or easy. People will still catch the disease. We will slow this, we may not stop it. Our NHS staff will manage, but only when we limit the flow into the hospitals as much as possible.

As they treat people, this limited flow will have the best possible outcome. The vast majority of them will make a good recovery. These people will act to slow the spread of the virus. Once we are sure that the virus is under control, that new infections are steady, or even decreasing, we will allow another group of key workers back into the workforce.

Some of these new workers will become ill, but we will treat them with the very best the NHS service can manage. And they, in turn, will recover, and they will act to make it even harder for the virus to spread. And this will allow us to let more people to return to work.

The release of people back to work will be gradual. Some of you may have to isolate for a long period of time. We are sorry to ask this of you, but it will save hundreds of thousands of lives.

We know that many of you are concerned about how you will survive financially. We are putting into place a raft of measures designed to protect small businesses. We are liaising with banks, and mortgage providers, with private landlords. We will ensure that everyone has a basic income and ensure no-one is without food, or made homeless, because of this horrible virus.

Together, we will get through this.

Cookiecrumble8888 · 15/03/2020 13:40

No because if he was thinking of people he would of been abit more specific.

For example children who have contact regularly with an adult or sibling with health issues may work from home.

Parents who keep their children home and can't afford meals will be given a food parcel or given vouchers.

We are capping toilet rolls to 16 rolls per household.

Maybe he could be sending bottles of hand sanitizer into schools and to the elderly and sick.

The fact he didn't do anything even remotely small to help people makes me think we are coming second!

blinkboo · 15/03/2020 13:41

Yes I think it's reasonable strategy although who knows what it'll look like with hindsight. Not a Boris fan normally.

Everycloud12 · 15/03/2020 13:42

A collapsed economy may ultimately lead to greater loss of life than the virus.

If that happens - Boris will get the blame.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

alloutoffucks · 15/03/2020 13:43

@thatgingergirl But we have done none of the things netherlands have. They are testing and contact tracing, encouraging wfh, encouraging social distancing. UK has not even encouraged wfh.

Cam77 · 15/03/2020 13:44

The government isn’t isolating anybody. It’s just letting 40 million get infected. A recipe for absolute disaster.

MyTwoPence · 15/03/2020 13:45

Yes, it's actually (for the first time ever) given me a little bit of respect for him.

PlanDeRaccordement · 15/03/2020 13:46

Alloutoffucks.
The difference between the countries that have contained the virus and those that have not is not “because the residents of those countries are largely not white,”. (What a racist view that is!) but rather because those countries have not had locally transmitted cases of the disease (yet). Once you as a country have locally transmitted cases popping up, your containment has failed. The virus is no longer contained and you cannot re-contain a virus that has broken through containment. Viruses are not prison break escapees that can be rounded up and put back in containment. Once it’s out, it’s out.

Too, if you took off your race tinted glasses, you’d see on the WHO list that the countries with the virus contained does include mostly white countries and the countries that do not have it contained include not mostly white countries. There is no “race” factor at all.

Cam77 · 15/03/2020 13:49

Also, in countries with lockdowns/mass closures. (IE everywhere else) the vast, vast majority are fully behind their respective governments strategy.
But here you have a third of the people kind of loosely supporting it, a third thinking it’s utter madness and the other third with no fucking clue what the advice is because it’s so vague and at times contradictory.
Recipe for disaster.

alloutoffucks · 15/03/2020 13:51

Why would the economy collapse. Has it collapsed in every other country that is actually trying to eradicate the virus?
Rhetorical question - no it hasn't.
Please don't scaremonger.

nellodee · 15/03/2020 13:52

Oooh, good "scaremonger" turnaround, alloutoffucks. I like it!

Random18 · 15/03/2020 13:52

nellodee and how long do you expect your experiment to take? How long until we are back to normal?

I do expect a precise answer as you have previously stated that you know more than the experts.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2020 13:52

BREAKING. According to @Le_Figaro, also French President Macron is silently supporting the "HERD IMMUNITY OPTION" to fight #CoronaVirus, in a similar approach to the UK.;

What other option is there when it gets to Italy, Spain, France levels?

How do you stop getting to 60%?

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