Does anyone think Boris is right?

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I'm not saying I do. But I'm curious to see if anyone agrees with the strategy they're going for as most of what I'm reading is against.

You remember Andrew Wakefield and his autism caused by vaccines? He was getting trotted out as an expert too. He was wrong.

Exactly - Richard Horton, Editor-in-Chief of The Lancet, publisher (and supporter?) of Andrew Wakefield's paper - and now seemingly, the go-to expert/resident critic of the government's coronavirus plan;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Horton_(editor)

And other countries such as Taiwan have contained the virus.
Yes Boris thinks it is too hard to show the leadership and make the hard decisions that are needed to contain the virus here.

everyone making these choices are bureaucrats before doctors. PHE? Bureaucrats before medical personnel, CMO? He took the trade from doctor, they'd rather a ghost country then a country with a worse economy, because it means less in the bank for them.

Also economy doesn't just = money. It is the lifeblood of a nation. How will the government be able to help its people if people aren't able to be productive in any way. Coronavirus is not the only thing that can kill in this world.

All the people saying "he's looking after the economy more than lives" are the same people saying "100,000 people killed by austerity". Hypocrites.

No I don't trust Boris. Not one bit. He's gambling with our lives.

We should strike.

Over 200 scientists have written a letter to the government criticising its plans and the "science" behind it. Every other government has a different approach to us. WHO is saying we are wrong.

Ghost, I'd like to to be very very clear that the hospitals near me are so much better under the tories.

They were failed by 2007. Everyone around here as scared of ending up in one with people begging ambulance drivers not to take the them out to one in particular. They were grossly under funded, woefully short of midwives to.

The tories inherited that legacy and in a time of national crisis with the credit crunch.

What the tories have done since is certainly up for review! But trying to imply hospitals were amazing under labour is not true and not helpful.

The economy over lives line is stupid. The economy is people’s livelihoods.

If Boris had different advisors he would be saying different things.

Chris witty I'm not sure about but I think sir Patrick is a mad man.

@themarkofthemaker That is a lie. I have questioned on MN a number of times the figures of those killed by austerity. It is way way too high.

I think Boris is looking after the economy more than lives.

Making simple statements as you have based on stereotypes is rarely accurate. Oh and I have voted conservative as well.

Carry on making lazy stereotypes to dismiss those who disagree with you. You are wrong.

I'm going to wait and see what happens - at the moment I agree with what him and his medical team are telling him.

Time will tell if UK doing the right thing.

Personally I think it is too soon for a lockdown. At the moment some will not take it seriously. The hospitals seem to be coping.

If there is a lockdown, cases will go down. This cannot go on indefinitely. As soon as people start going about their normal lives cases will increase again.

You may be happy to let half a million people die based on untested and unproven theories that most experts are questioning. I certainly am nor.

Stop talking emotive shit. What a dreadful thing to accuse someone of because they disagree with you. Just vile.

speak for yourself, but that's the obvious conclusion to reach when posters have names like @JeremyCorbynsTopLip

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The Government has repeatedly said that to get herd immunity (bogus unproven scientific theory), that 60% of the population have to get it ... Boris has also said this is inevitable.*
I just understand scientific theories, can read and understand scientific papers, and can read what other scientists say. I can also see what other governments are doing.

Why have German scientists estimated that 60% to 70% of the German population will contract coronavirus?

www.businessinsider.com/angela-merkel-estimates-coronavirus-will-hit-large-majority-german-population-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

Those saying isolating the over 70s is the right strategy, why then are we waiting? If it's the right thing to do why are the government saying they will enact this at a later date (several days/a few weeks time)?

I don't necessarily think he's right, but I don't think we know enough to be sure he's wrong either. The approach seems sensible and logical but only time will tell if the gamble pays off.

This is an excellent piece on why there are differences of approach between governments and why no one is necessarily right or wrong, there are too many factors involved, written by an expert on these things.

medium.com/@michael.g.head/uk-response-to-coronavirus-why-i-think-its-appropriate-b5d748b2c16

I believe he believes it's the best thing for the country.

I also believe it when they say there are no garuntees in any of the strategies.

I also believe when they say he isn't actually the one making the ultimate decision as he has expert advisors.

I also believe that he is more than sure that his strategy is the right one and will work because it's a HUGE risk going against the rest of Europe and other world countries.

And I hate the Tories and BJ! I just don't think he would allow the party or him to lose face - therefore trust he thinks what he's doing is the best thing.

To be fair to Boris his medical advisors have told him differently to other countries.

He's rather stuck right now. Go against his own supposedly impartial advisors?. If follow the it advice and go against world advice?

Taiwan, had the most amazing reaction the virus. Astonishing, and if nothing else the way they pinned it down was good for the nations public mental health.

No. He is scum. This is all about making his brexit vanity project work. Lweji makes a lot of sense when she said that as he has refused to track potential or test cases, the experts have little left to offer. My take is that he told them what he wanted and they went away and formulated a plan.

Does no one remember how up until the 11th hour he stated people coming in from the cruise ships should make their way home, often hundreds of miles and on public transport then self isolate? The man is a buffoon.

I think given the parlous state of the UK welfare state Boris has to keep the economy on the road or many people will become destitute, which will in turn cause more suffering and death. If we were a more supportive social democracy like most of continental Europe we could afford to go into lockdown, but given the way social care and support have been dismantled over the last few decades in the UK it's not possible. I also think there's a high likelihood of a second peak once e.g. China comes out of lockdown, and they can't stay on lockdown forever.

No. I don't trust Boris. We know that Cummings is in favour of eugenics. He has stated this clearly.

That is the scientific view.

MN a is not a body of posters I would take any notice of whatsoever. They appear pro shelf emptying and only have their own interests at heart. It is sites like this that were anti vaccine not so long ago.

It should be shut be shut down.