Over 70s to self isolate

[Dodie66]

Over 70s are going to be told to self isolate even if they don’t have the virus and this will be coming in 5-20 days and last 4 months
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-coronavirus-over-70s-told-21694397?fbclid=IwAR2k9MqPf7vOzNcnqfVroLXVp0sQjYRmihHKBiL9pvdhSi5780WpYkgFNnI

Still better off with the over 70s safe.

i think they need to actively have things in place or make sure they are encouraging/forcing others to help others.and how to do that.boxes outsdie doors.an app made for villages to help those who need it.posters,tick boxes.how do we all protect and then help those who need it.
also why arent they doing this with those who have immune supressed.and if they do how are young people going to be who only lifelines are the moment they get away from being trapped i ntheir illness indoors.its going to be hard for all.but i know my 80 year old is much fitter and healthier than our very vulnerable immune supressed 30year old!

A third of the patients in the Lombardy region of italy in ICU ARE 50-64, that's where Italy have the most cases so good big data.

There will most likely be other measures on top. Still to come.

From upthread Let the least vulnerable get it to create mass immunity THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HERD IMMUNITY EXISTS FOR CORONAVIRUS. As it's a virus similar to colds, it may very well be the case that it mutates fast enough that there is no herd immunity. At which point, we're talking eugenics.

Johnson is making it up as he goes along.

No, exactly, intervention rates are not in line with death rates at all.

And how will this work for the 23% of pensioners who live in social housing when they HAVE to let the engineer in for the MANDATORY gas safety check. Have they thought to inform the social housing providers so they cease with the eviction threats?!
Not all boomers live in four bedroom houses in leafy Surrey.

And how will this work for an age gap couple where the younger partner is still working. And many more of them will be, or are subject to work conditionality thanks to the changes from PC to UC for age gap couples.

Nice try Cummings Boris

Back to the drawing board!

I'm not sure "stamping it out" is possible. Like many viruses it is likely to linger and flare up, isn't it? We can't stay locked down indefinitely. And other countries may not have it under control so then, like China, you start importing new cases when people travel.

I don't see any easy solutions here personally. For the first time ever I'm in agreement with how Boris is handling things.

I wonder how many of them would also fall in to the vulnerable category - not dismissing it, genuinely. A third of the patients in ITU being in that group seems high but we know the italians are already making pretty tough calls so that may be artificially skewing that result younger compared to the actual population need IYSWIM.

If no immunity then do other countries stay locked down for 18 months? Harder than the proposed 4 here.

As for families coming together that is the one thing they’ve asked us not to do.

@statisticallychallenged if anything that number is skewed too low, because Italy have a much older average population so you'll have more of them in ICU too.

To get it to work I think the Queen will need to give a message encouraging it- majoirty of over 70's respect her more than anyone.

As it's a virus similar to colds

Link?

It doesn't have to be 18 months. A vaccine is being worked on. Hopefully available in a year so 12 months. In the meantime drugs to treat it successfully are being trialled. One in particular, an HIV drug, has shown promise. The lockdown need not be for that long. Agree @kateandme ALL vulnerable people should be protected.

*As it's a virus similar to colds

Link?*

There are some strains of coronavirus that cause common colds, but there are also other viruses too. There's about 200 strains of various bugs that cause colds, which is why we get so many of the buggers.

It's thought that this one is slow to mutate - there was an explanation from a scientist studying it on the news the other night

Well that’s good then the same applies to us.

To pp re 18 months

@walkingtheway @Alsohuman @Pluckedpencil

(Over)thinking, I really want to see everyone vulnerable protected regardless of age but it's definitely better than nothing. Both DP and me have underlying conditions but we're relatively healthy. I worry so much for our fit but older parents and other elderly relatives.

Surely a lockdown will only truly work if everything and everyone is locked down and there’s really nothing to go out for anyway? Sure, they can advise the over 70s to not go out, but what is going to be done about it if they do? Will they be arrested and dragged back home?!

I think many elderly are already self isolating. My MIL is terminally ill and with the right pain relief has a good quality of life. However, she hasn’t left the house for 3 weeks to avoid catching it as it will absolutely finish her off.

For some over 70s it just won’t be practical but even if 75% of them manage to self isolate for a month (hard i know) then it will lessen the spread of the disease.

This virus has already mutated once. There are two types circulating. They have no idea of the mutated version is more deadly or not.

And my parents are already self isolating.
But you have to put some support in there. My parents can order food over the internet, not all can.
Also those who need carers will still be exposed.

My grans 86 with dementia. Living at home and housebound but reliant on me and my mam for most care needs.

My mams at risk after having breast cancer and I have a toddler with lung disease.

I couldn't even isolate them together my gran darent look at my son as he is that active plus a climber.

Also what about those with underlying conditions that are vulnerable?