Over 70s to self isolate

[Dodie66]

Over 70s are going to be told to self isolate even if they don’t have the virus and this will be coming in 5-20 days and last 4 months
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-coronavirus-over-70s-told-21694397?fbclid=IwAR2k9MqPf7vOzNcnqfVroLXVp0sQjYRmihHKBiL9pvdhSi5780WpYkgFNnI

For all the people nodding along with this policy, I hate to say this but you truly deserve what is coming to you. My friend's brother is an active firefighter. 56 years old in ICU with cv19 in italy. Not old, not immunocompromised. Just because you don't die doesn't mean you don't need ICU.
It's literally like banging my head against a wall. Herd immunity is a made up buzz term for doing fuck all.
Go and see how herd immunity works on Wikipedia now. The first diagram. Note the word "immunised" and how important the vaccine part of that is. Get off Mumsnet and inform yourselves properly please, please, please. This man is lying to you, he can reduce the numbers of dead, he'd just rather not because of his own particular sickening individualistic (i.e. selfish) ideology.

@SD1978 Thanks. I now feel it would be better if DH was dead already as he's just an inconvenience.

How would she be at conference calls, and at teaching others on her committees how to do them? I know that's not for everyone, but her committee skills sound really valuable and her work greatly appreciated.

She'd be fine with it but it wouldn't solve her issue...which is needing to get out of the house she shared with my father when the fact that he's not there gets too overwhelming for her.

You can't force self isolation- but if things get as dire as predicted, everyone over 65 also needs to understand and that if the Italian approach is considered in the UK. You will be left to die, and no extraordinary measures- ventilation, resuscitation will be utilised to try and save you. It's that simple. You catch it, you get very sick. You die.

Most of the over 70s I know already accept that. Hell, I'm 42, healthy, with no co-morbid illnesses and my youngest child is under 2. I don't expect them to try and save me if I get very sick with it either.

I'd rather we all went into lockdown, but the government is saying it could be for months and they are thinking about the economic impact

I think that it would have to be months. And it would be incredibly hard to enforce, and because many people wouldn't have caught it there would probably be enough who could still catch it to keep it going round.

Given how many people seem to be asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic some would slip through and restart it

@Pluckedpencil firstly I am very sorry. Truly. Secondly if we protect the most vulnerable then we will ensure that more beds are available for people like your friends brother.

It's not because the elderly aren't of value that I want them to self isolate, but because they are valuable, we need to do what we can to save them.

That doesn't mean that the rest of us shouldn't be doing social distancing, but that we should enable those who are in higher risk categories to lower their risk through isolation. I'd rather my parents self isolate for a few months than lose them forever.

I'd rather my parents self isolate for a few months than lose them forever

But would they?

@Hugtheduggee yes!!!! Totally

@Alsohuman is they don’t self isolate then that is their choice. But let’s make it clear. If there are choices to be made it may well not be them. But if that is their decision then so be it.

Just because the first diagram on wikipedia is for immunisation herd immunity doesnt mean that herd immunity isnt a thing in other cases. (I agree that no one actually knows it will work in this case) but the science isnt ridiculous. People catch it, they survive it they have antibodies to fight it off, once enough people have the antibodies then the rate of infection slows leading to less cases etc.
Anyway no country is trying to stop the virus they are all just trying to spread out cases so that healthcare can cope. You cant stop it completely once it has reached this level of exposure.
What do you think should happen? We all go on lockdown till they find a vaccine? What do people want to happen exactly??

If this is true it’s a good idea

@walkingaway- absolutely not. But that is the reality of what may come. That's what is happening in Italy. They are triaging based on age, not condition. It's a horrible scenario, it's an almost u thinkable scenario- but it's the one we are faced. So people have a choice to make, depending on their level of risk, to self isolate r not, and potentially therefore if not to, they will die. I'm not saying it's right, it's fair, it's moral or not devastating but it is the facts as per the situation in Italy and very likely here. So people are at a point where we they may be making the very simple choice between self isolation or dying.

My point here @Bool is there will not be beds in ICU because if you don't isolate now there will not be beds for the under 60s either. The numbers we have so far are the numbers with isolation. I have heard WhatsApp messages from anaesthetists in Milan saying there are many man people in their 40s and 50s on ventilators. This "herd bullshit" does not flatten the curve and this virus is exponential. It explodes like a bomb. This attitude that it only affects the old and immunocompromised is very risky, because nowhere else has let it proliferate, so who knows what number you guys will get to. The NHS will be choosing between 40 year old smokers and 55 year old firefighters is my point. Lots of people who survive who are younger need a ventilator to do so. So let's hope you have thousands I guess.

Also, this new over-70s rule means that Jeremy Corbyn will have to stay at home for 4 months.

I bet he'll be really pleased about that....

Can they still go out for a walk.

@ BeijingBikini

Ooh yes. Let's have it here in the USA as well so we don't have to listen to Trump, Biden or Sanders for four months. That would be bliss.

I never thought I would say this, but I am glad my DM is not alive to go through this. She had alzeimers and ovarian cancer at the end, she had carers in daily, a cleaner etc, and in the end went into a home, there is no way she would have been able to self isolate. She saw people constantly in her care plan, and thankfully when she passed it was peaceful. If she caught this virus it would have made her suffering so much worse. I keep thinking about all the other people in her care home and how this may affect them, I just dont think self isolation is possible for all elderly.

there are many man people in their 40s and 50s on ventilators.

yes, but the complication rate is much higher in older people. So by reducing the number of elderly catching it you significantly increase the available ventilators and reduce those decisions

Haven't RTFT so this might have been mentioned already. What about the many people under 70 who are at increased risk?

I'll believe it when I see it somewhere more reliable than a tabloid.

This thread has reminded me how selfish and money centered people in the UK actually are. They'd literally rather their grandmother died than make some hard short term personal sacrifices along with the over 60s and immunocompromised. And by short term I mean 6 months. This measure will not save old people or immunocompromised people. We are communities, we look after each other. We are not islands. Here in Italy, the only people we are seeing is our parents and children. It's bringing families together. This measure will tear families apart.

Families coming together is the main way it’s passed on.

It was on ITV news Vingt

@statisticallychallenged. Thank you.

I'm actually relieved that my seriously ill relative passed away before this all started, it meant they had 1:1 nursing care when they died and did not die in a hospital that was short staffed and could not ensure a peaceful death for them.