Over 70s to self isolate

[Dodie66]

Over 70s are going to be told to self isolate even if they don’t have the virus and this will be coming in 5-20 days and last 4 months
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-coronavirus-over-70s-told-21694397?fbclid=IwAR2k9MqPf7vOzNcnqfVroLXVp0sQjYRmihHKBiL9pvdhSi5780WpYkgFNnI

Realistically they won't be giving up ICU beds. They will be slipping away in their own homes, unnoticed and unnursed.

So, make sure you're phoning people then. They might prefer you to be there in person, but a phone call is better than nothing.

Oddily enough we already phone our relatives. Since my dad died, my mum goes out 7 days a week because she can't face sitting looking at his chair. She's on 8 different committees, does multiple voluntary shifts in multiple charities, helps out at various church run things and socialises a lot.

I already phone her a lot, sometimes multiple times a day because she's on anti-depressants and has enough pain killers stockpiled to kill an army platoon.

Me phoning is not going to compensate for the other stuff.

For my mum (73), I think it's the thought that she's essentially being shoved in a cupboard, like a thing that's finished. That's what it feels like to her. Yes, she understands that her age makes her a higher risk, but she is now feeling like the country sees her as over. In which case - what is the bloody point?

Most people will lose someone if they have loved ones over 70

No they won't. Some will, not most. Stop scaremongering.

enough to give up that ICU bed?

Absolutely.

The govt can only suggest what people do. Done really want to be like China?

If people choose to ignore it then it's their choice. They need to accept the consequences.

And as for the ITU beds, well many over 70s will be parents who would much rather their child had that bed over them.

I bet Donald trump, at 79 years, is very pleased right now he doesn’t live in the uk

I'm self employed. I've lost all of my work because of this virus. Im worried sick about money. I'm worried about the impact on my older DH. I see so little compassion on Mumsnet at the moment, particularly for the elderly. I've toughed it out but some of the attitudes on this thread have made me finally break down and cry.

I'm struggling to see a point at this moment.

I think I need to leave.

IF people over the age of X won't be allowed ICU treatment, will they be allowed palliative care? Euthanasia?

Will this also apply to other at risk groups?

I have to say that lots of older people are stubborn and despite advice do daft/dangerous things. We need to get the virus as younger people seem to shrug it off. We are doing it so that they don’t get it.

Older people have a choice here. It’s not a great choice but we are in uncharted territory.

I agree with a PP who said people are complaining enough isn’t being done but when it affects them they refuse to listen.

I don’t want them to be constantly wandering around the supermarket because that is their routine. Coughing and spluttering and claiming they only have a cold. We need to ALL take serious action.

My parents are in their late 70s. I told them to self isolate as they are important and to let the younger and fitter get it, if this "herd" thing is the plan. They've done their bit and need looking after.

We might all have to stay indoors yet .

This is to protect the statistically most vunerable . Of course nothing is black and white but it makes total sense . The mortality rate in children is extremely low . For those with low immunity AND the elderly the risk is high .

I have relatives who are young and are vunerable to infection and they are trying to minimise risk by not going out much.

The community has to help the most vunerable groups to the best of their ability all pull together because if we end up going on total lock down thousands and thousands will be unemployed which means no funds going into the nhs to treat anybody .

I'm appalled at the older generation (and I say that as a baby boomer myself). It feels like there is an attitude of entitlement and expecting younger generations to pay the bills, both literally and metaphorically, for us all the time.

These people who insist they have to go out to the shops, the gym, for lunch, etc will be the first to howl at the idea that they might not be treated if the NHS becomes overwhelmed.

Hmm.
My parents live with us, they are over 70. How is this going to work for multi-generational families?
They stay in - but do I still go to work? Do my kids go to school?

Same here. I teach too.

We’re the generation that rebelled in the 60s and 70s, we’re not just going to roll over now, inconvenient as that might be.

How's that going to work if the whole country is in lockdown then? Just those most at risk out and about

My 75 yr old mum lives with us. Seems cruel to make her stay at home for months, but I guess at least she will have people with her. Although we will be in and out of the house bringing germs with us...arghhhh I can’t get my head around any of this 😢

No way my parents will do this

@Dowser Donald Trump isn't 79, he's 73

@DoubleAction they are meant to follow the advice of the World Health Organisation like everyone else in the world. Identify, isolate, contain. They are telling you it can't be done but China have literally just done it.

This is all academic anyway. With an exponential death rate, NHS wards will soon be buckling and you will be begging to close everything by the end of the month.

I’d rather die from corona virus than dementia.

^This. After witnessing 15 years of a slow decline 4 weeks doesn’t really frighten me.

what about if they just say alright folks roll up roll up, you pays yer money you takes yer choice! If you want to get the virus go and get the virus, if you don't want the virus stay indoors and self isolate

How's that going to work if the whole country is in lockdown then?

If the whole country’s in lock down, everyone will be affected, not just the expendable old who can apparently just be stuffed in a cupboard and forgotten about.

@walkingtheway

That’s because people are using this as a political football which is cruel . Please find the John caudwell Facebook page and watch the video ( wish I knew how to share it )

Then come back and post .

This is about trying to protect not vilify a group of people .

Aren't the WHO making it up as they go along too? No one knows who will turn out to be right in the long run.

but bear in mind folks that if most people Rush out and get the virus that means there won't be enough ICU beds to treat the people who will need them so there's going to be an element of 'musical chairs' going on