People don’t realize young and health will also die

[Firespider]

Hi, I am Chinese and have been in the UK for 10 years. I have read through lots of the threads here and been surprised that people think only old and vulnerable will die from Covid-19. Truth is 15% will need oxygen, 5% will need ventilation. Many of them are young. If no treatment is provided large part of these patient will die. That’s what happened in Wuhan and is happening in Italy. The reason we only see death of old patients I the UK now is because the average course from symptoms onsite to death is 17 days. Young patient will stick longer. Mild cases range from slightly cough to pneumonia! The word pneumonia itself is serious enough. I am very worried about the government’s action.

Drs again, are at risk, because of their general health.

This was discussed on TV with medical professionals who says Drs are at risk because, they were working so tirelessly, it was impacting their health. They were run down and their bodies under stress.

That massively impacts your immune system. So again down to health.

Anyone who thinks younger people are definitely going to be fine have not listened to what has been said.

While as a Chinese, I can list many young and healthy death which I read from Chinese social media. Not trying to scare anyone. I am really worried about the government’s reaction and most people at my age (30-40) think it’s just a flu.

BrexpatInSwitzerland

I think no symptoms are included in mild symptoms.

Of course young people will also be affected if the NHS is under massive strain if they have accidents or other illnesses.

One of my colleagues is from northern Italy, we are in our 30s. She told me two of her school friends have died and another is on a ventilator at the moment. Yes this is third/fourth hand information now... but, whilst risks are lower for younger/healthier people, it’s by no means a given.

I think we will all know people who will die, sadly - mostly higher risk people but there will be shocking outliers. It’s horrific isn’t it.

Really people need to wake up to this.

@noblegiraffe

There is a time delay between infection, developing symptoms and becoming ill enough to be hospitalised.

Due to the way healthcare works in China (and India for example) a lot of younger people don’t get relevant tests and treatment - so doctors have no clue of co-morbities that may impact how severe CV can get.

Italy: mean age of death 80.3 years old. Only two deaths of healthy people with no pre-existing conditions, only 2 deaths under 40 years old, both with pre-existing conditions.

Firespider, unfortunately a lot of people on this forum are super invested in name-calling and shouting down posters who post with any alarming data or info. on this topic, accusing people of scaremongering. I think it's a shame we can't use this technology to share personal experience or even non-expert interpretations of data without being shouted down. I think it's just an extension of shouty person on the internet syndrome, but it's not particularly helpful right now. We should be sharing info. supporting each other, trying to make sense of it, not looking for a way to win the internet.

A large number of men (around 53%) smoke in China and rates of underlying lung and heart conditions are often higher.

I'm not sure that focussing on this is particularly helpful

From

ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

Re image above, not suggesting these will be same as other areas necessarily, just putting it up for reference.

Bronchiolitis, pneumonia, etc also very prevalent in young Dc etc and can develop quickly, I guess emergency docs will treat breathlessness quickly with oxygen and sats monitors same way they did with my young Dc when he developed pneumonia..covid related or not

Also wasn't the whistleblowing doctor working over time in a hospital full of sick people?

The graphs don't back up what you are saying OP.

Firespider Thanks for starting this thread and posting your experience.

That's the other thing. People bite k they are healthy and they arent. Being over weight or a smoker can put you in the vulnerable category, regardless of age.

Really people need to wake up to this

Why? Is panicking and anxiety going to stop them dying?
Or should all of us shut ourselves away, lose our jobs, run out of food and die miserable and lonely anyway

Hi, I am Chinese and have been in the UK for 10 years.

So not in China recently then

I'm not sure why it's particularly helpful to be terrified of dying. It doesn't actually change my behaviour, I'm doing what I can and trying to live in the present. Quite aware it's worse than flu but imagining my own death won't help anyone.

Yes I know that percentage. I read the paper. Out of 44672 diagnosed patients. 549 10-20 years old, 1 death. 3619 20-30, 7 death. 7600 30-40, 18 death. 8571 40-50, 38 death.

There is also another paper. Out of 1099 diagnosed, 41% critical case are among 15-49 years age.

A lot of us are trying to get people on board with the idea that there is a middle ground

What's the middle ground then? Because all I'm seeing here is that you have to acknowledge you're at risk of dying. What exactly does that achieve?!