How many people actually understand what a lockdown would involve?

[Bearbehind]

I realise there’s outrage about our governments handling of this but, on one hand we appear to have countless people insisting schools must shut now

And on the other hand we have people who-

• think they could still participate in their hobbies
• think a lock down would be over in a fortnight
• think they could go on a cheap holiday while the kids are off

How many people genuinely understand locking down now will be for months and you won’t be classed as ‘exceptional’ or ‘special’ - you’ll be expected to actually stay inside for the duration otherwise it achieves nothing.

It’s clear to me from this that most people are only interest in themselves and what affects and inconveniences them

Leaving you to it

I realised I did actually have some quinoa on my last delivery but is that allowed because we're not in lockdown yet? Or would it have been better to order spam or something like that?

What bear is highlighting is that closing schools is ineffective without other social distancing methods and are we really aware as to how that could work and what the consequences are.
From posts on mumsnet (not just this thread) it is clear that some posters believe that they will be able to interpret the restriction or tailor them to their own circumstances. It is clear this would make the restrictions ineffective and therefore pointless. We can see from pencil’s post that Italy has put in place similar restrictions to China eg paperwork needed for essential travel etc.
The idea that we will have choices is flawed - imo. This is why I said on another thread that when the outbreak started in China I was glad I was not living in a democracy. China did not allow an individual interpretation of what lockdown meant: you complied or there were consequences, not pleasant, but it saved lives.
The fact that I was labelled a moron for saying this confirms the level of misunderstanding regarding how and why govts need to be strict.
As a final point I am well aware this started in China and they covered it up and it’s a brutal regime. I know all this I have lived there for 12 years.

She winds em up and watches em go.
Troll.

It's clear to me, and almost everyone else on this thread, that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about and you're just making it up.

I despair at the utter ignorance expressed by the OP of this thread, and the fact she’s not even listening to people ACTUALLY IN LOCKDOWN right now. Good grief. I seriously despair.

@nicky2512, yes garages are open but one at a time into the shop to pay. All logistics still operational. Many workplaces have adopted work from home policies literally overnight (not common here) and it's working ok, although with kids at home it's miserable trying to work. There has been a lot of TV and fighting frankly. Needs must though. Hence the paper. I also need the paper and printer cartridges for some of my work from home. Hence Amazon. I feel more for the people in the distribution centre than the driver. But that applies to everyone I the UK too frankly.

Let us know how you get on with never going to the shops for food or putting out a business by ordering from them OP

Not you Shanghai obvs!

My amazon deliveries already seem to always be left outside and have been for forever it will seem. I don’t see them, they don’t see me, what’s eh issue exactly?

Also, @ Bearbehind while lockdown is going to be life altering for many, you do actually need them to have some level of comfort in order that they A, are more likely to conform to measures, and B, that mental health doesn’t suffer to the point that it becomes a bigger concern than the virus.

It's not a windup.

It's a vocab problem.

"Lockdown" is potentially confusing, but people who've experienced it already can help those who will experience it in a week or two to decode the word.

It doesn't literally mean "everyone is locked inside their homes and can never go out."
The police, HCP, agricultural workers, delivery staff and other key professions are not confined to their homes during lockdown.

Bog roll has, in some places, caused tension, but the lentil weaving quinoa-munchers are a pacific bunch.

Bear why don't you tell us what you're trying to achieve here and why?
Is it that you're against school closures? Is it that you're concerned your job means you'd be on the front line? Are you concerned about the financial impact? There's obviously something underlying your attempt to push a narrative that you're the only one who understands what lockdown means.
Having family and friends in Italy, Ireland and Germany, I know exactly what lockdown means for them. I don't need a pat on the head from you or a But you do seem like you need something from us.

It's a shame because I agree completely with the OP's core argument and then it all went bizarre

Auld, Bear has been twatting around like this for weeks on the main Corona virus thread. She knows exactly what she's doing and she knows exactly what Chinese and Italian lockdowns have meant for the people involved.
True it's not like a Prevent lockdown.
But she knows that. She just likes shitstirring.

Agreed, MrSkinnyLegs.

Pluckedpencil thank you for that. It’s just so hard to imagine. I’m probably overthinking tonight as I’m so worried - dd has bad chest infection and asthma and I have elderly unwell parents but I’m imagining running out of petrol or even something like needing car repairs done and not being able to make the essential trips. It’s so scary.

Talk of online shopping just illustrates the bubble some people live in. Huge swathes of the population can't afford to do a weekly shop from anywhere offering online delivery at the best of times, let alone if they aren't able to work. When we're all sat at home waiting for nmw workers to supply our essentials, do people honestly think the same nmw people will be able to shop around several budget shops and get a combined delivery based on whom sold what cheapest? Are we just leaving them to starve or do people genuinely not understand that's how many in this country live?

5zeds I can work from home, my large private employer can afford the loss/ none/ low profit for a few months, and I don't see why it couldn't afford to still pay all the staff in roles that can't be done at home. It's not an essential service. But every supplier and client can't absorb their loss if we lockdown. More importantly the combined revenue that every company like mine produces isn't something our economy can afford to lose, and certainly not at a time when there's a greater demand on public funding.

Oh she’s just annoyed that people actually living in lockdown are selfishly not doing lockdown quite how she wants them to do it. Imagine, frivolities like seeing a doctor or buying food!

Which is apparently like they’re living in a re-enactment of 28 Days Later.

It's a pity to stir stuff up when tensions are already running so high. We all have loved ones we're worried about, parents for me, and wondering what will happen about an important operation my DD was due to have in a few months.

book your post epitomises my point

You appear to think our lock down would be different to everyone else’s

I’m not shit stirring at all - I’m making the point that if we ‘lockdown’ it’s big shit

It’s not getting Amazon to deliver fucking drawing paper to your door because your kids are bored

Are you drunk?

I don't think anything about "your" lockdown . I don't know, and care less, where you live.
And I have told you what I selfishly ordered online.

OP thinks being in lock down is locking everyone in their home and throw away the key.

But what is the point of lockdown if people aren't actually locked down and confined to their homes? And if they are, how are people meant to get essential supplies?

It's bad enough in the UK when we have several inches of snow. People proclaim it far too dangerous to drive, so they call a taxi, which is a car like theirs which will use the same roads! And then complain when the driver takes ages to reach them and then their trip takes far longer than normal.

Some are now saying that they will only go out for essential shopping trips. Who is staffing the shops? Who is delivering to them? People, just like you.

If nobody is allowed to go to work, don't expect there to be any electricity, heating, TV, radio, internet or phone service either - because these are enabled by people who have to go to work to provide them for us all. If some people are allowed to go to work, then it's not a universal lockdown.

Yes book, I’m rat arsed 🤔

Popping to the shops or the doctors isn’t essential

This is ridiculous. I have family in Italy and have posted this already. People are allowed out for essential reasons . These include work ( if you have a permit to work), shopping for.food .or medicine. Medical reasons ( including doctor and vet visits) . Also excercise ( running, walking, cying) as long as it is outside and you stay at least a metre from other people .

Anyone with symptoms is not allowed out at all until symptoms have well passed.

The fact is though that everything is shut except food shops,. chemists, banks and hospitals/ doctor's surgeries so there aren't many place to go

It is enforced with police making spot checks and asking people why they are outside. Yes some..people are breaking the rules but they have penalties and have just introduced law that says anyone who deliberately disobeys the rules and as a result infects someone can be charged with murder or attempted murder with a 21 year jail sentence

My niece lives there and is still working as she works in a bank There are probably other essential workers ( sanitation etc) who have work passes