Is Johnson doing the right thing?

[jasjas1973]

Is he? i've changed my view on this recently.
Do we just have to accept some very harsh truths?
Getting some very clever people to advise him and judging by how successful partial lockdowns in other European countries have gone, these don't seem to work.

We haven't got an NHS that is anything like as well equipped/staffed as say an Italy, France even Spain and they are not coping, maybe he is just (for once) being honest?

Johnson's approach to this is to basically use the weakest in society as a medical shield. They get it, they die and it's less strain on the NHS.

This should be a devolved matter, in NI it is a joke that there are some kids merely miles away from the border where schools are closed and ours are expected to go in and expose themselves. A disgrace.

Darwinism in motion.

Other countries are working though.

We are fuelling the fire, encouraging meets of huge races, encouraging everything and everywhere people mix and transmit to keep going.

I can't imagine how these figures will explode.
Everyone will also hit the NHS at peak. The peak will be soo much higher than with some container measures in place.
. Many people with regular needs will get pushed away and everyday stuff turns dangerous.

Perhaps worst of all is no special covid respiratory line for people.

To keep 111 freed up for normal illness.

If someone thinks what Italy or France are doing are not working I can't imagine what pouring petrol on this fire will do.

I agree with the principle of what they say but I strongly disagree with the way they want to achieve it.

I'm around lots of people every single day who show total lack of knowledge about this virus.

Even a highly educated individual thinks she had it and is going back to work without isolating (into a school).
She didn't know.

People arnt interested, and not in the details!

Do we have any numbers on what We can peak looks like in a country that merely washes its hands of trying to control this?

We only see death tolls in countries that have

They know if you try a blanket ban in the UK, people will either stupidly or otherwise find a loophole to get round it.

Rubbish, that's just a not-very good-excuse for delaying social distancing. The British are in general amongst the more law-abiding citizens of the world. If you'd have thought of a stereotypical nation that wouldn't bother following the rules you'd probably come up with Italy, yet lockdown has been almost universally supported there. People need to be given the full facts and not lulled into thinking this isn't very serious.

I was speaking to an immunocompromised colleague today (cancer sufferer) who was in tears at feeling that the government considered her life was pretty much expendable.

PurpleWhiteLie try this from about 19 minutes - here

I can't actually relisten, need to re-download sound drivers, so apologies if I have misremembered. It was at the point where she's sitting in front of the monitor I seem to recall

His actions now will come back to bite him if the mortality rate here ends up exceeding that of similar countries.

I don't think any of the other countries are far enough ahead to know yet - it's only once they come out of lockdown and go back to relative normality that it will be possible to determine if they've actually achieved what they hoped or if they just end up with a new peak.

Doing what Elizabeth is doing though more staggered, people are actually ill with something unrelated atm so we are using this for all it's worth. We will then use OHs cough and sniffles to gain us 2 more weeks isolation.

Elizabeth. Yes.

No. Like a pp I want to see restrictions on travel , school closures, and everyone encouraged to isolate as much as possible.

I think Johnson (who i detest btw and his party) is basically telling us the UK hasn't the resources via police, army or nhs to enable a lock down or treat its sick.
Before CV, during this winter, critical care bed units up and down the UK were running at 100%... people treated in the ambulance that bought them to AE, we all ignored this despite it glaring us in the face and kept voting in the tories....a party that doesn't like the NHS.

Scotland has 200 beds, they are looking to double to 400..woo wee!!!
Across the uk it's 3000 or 4000 and even those don't have enough staff...... so there isn't the capacity to increase this number, nor the equipment, we also don't have the labs to test or the kits to use.

I think if schools were shut, the kids would just head down to park/grannies/shopping mall etc or parents would take them on hols/day trips.....so no i don't think british people are law abiding, we are the road rage capital of europe and have the highest prison population too.
Look what we do to city and town centres each and every weekend? vomit, piss, fight each other then attack Police & AE staff.

Law abiding my arse!

anyway, basically i think he has no choice, he has to carry on as there is no alternative to "take it on the chin" and we've only ourselves to blame.

His actions now will come back to bite him if the mortality rate here ends up exceeding that of similar countries

Right wing press and BBC wont report that.....

BoZo is nothing but a career politician with ideas above his station. He probs thinks by doing things differently to every other country on the planet he is going to be catapulted into stratospheric levels of adulation for generations to come when he saves the day with his insane plot! His “aide” and evil string puller Cummings is all about eugenics for goodness sake.
This is about nobody but them and their glory hunting and his wealthy 1% cronies who are probably watching this unfold from a virus free tropical island hideaway. Cull the elderly, sick and disabled. Clean sweep of the “bed blockers”. Reduced social care bill. Alleviate housing crisis.

It’s solving a lot of his problems for him.

I think if schools were shut, the kids would just head down to park/grannies/shopping mall etc or parents would take them on hols/day trips.....

There will be no travel at this rate. Countries are shutting borders.

A few kids is better than 1500 not washing their hands and sitting together closely

No he's definitely not doing the right thing! And they're not being honest with the public about what is coming.

My husband is a scientist in the nuclear sector and he's just completed risk assessment modelling based on the government's plan, the aim for 80% herd immunity and using a 2% death rate. He calculates that the risk the average member of public is facing is the same level as that faced by nuclear workers at Fukishima after the disaster. So by accepting the government's plan, that's the risk the public are accepting.

DH is high risk as he's severely asthmatic, so his personal risk would be above that allowed at Fukishima. So his lab is shutting down and he's working from home from now on.

Interesting that Germany is using similar tactic to UK

The NHS won’t be able to cope with this, largely because of Tory cuts.

We are bearing the brunt of that. Tories, as usual, are taking no responsibility.

We will have the highest death rate in the world for this. China's overall deaths are slowing right down - currently sitting at over 3k.

UK - expected 500k.

Isn't the flaw with culling the elderly as a motive that they are more likely to vote Tory? 67% of 70+ at the last election according to a quick search.

I think the lack of resources to force compliance with a lockdown is far more likely in all honesty. There's only about 140,000 police in mainland UK (I haven't checked NI numbers) which is not a lot to try and force compliance. Italy seems to have more than double this for a similar population

Why aren’t they building all the new hospitals they promised?

China built 4 dead quick didn’t they at the beginning of their outbreak.

Why aren’t we doing that?

This should be a devolved matter, in NI it is a joke that there are some kids merely miles away from the border where schools are closed and ours are expected to go in and expose themselves

Education is a devolved matter. NI, Scotland and Wales can close schools if they choose.

Interesting that Germany is using similar tactic to UK

in what way? Most of the states are closing schools.

I don't think the Dutch have though.

I can see that closing primary school will put a huge burden on economy and NHS staff , but there shouldbe an official position on cancelling large events, unecessary trips, cinemas, theatres, etc... why not take any actoin to reduce spread?