Is Johnson doing the right thing?

[jasjas1973]

Is he? i've changed my view on this recently.
Do we just have to accept some very harsh truths?
Getting some very clever people to advise him and judging by how successful partial lockdowns in other European countries have gone, these don't seem to work.

We haven't got an NHS that is anything like as well equipped/staffed as say an Italy, France even Spain and they are not coping, maybe he is just (for once) being honest?

Yes if you are healthy, No if you are old, sick or vulnerable. Herd immunity refers to cattle and is a method to achieve a healthy herd, the sick and the old, those you would not want to breed from are going to die.

The who is sitting right now on their press conference begging countries to test and find every case. Which is what we said we’d stop doing. They want aggressive action. They won’t name countries they aren’t happy with, but will take the tough conversations directly with those countries. Is what they have just said.

Right is not gambling your population on herd immunity when it is no scientific evidence to support the fact you do become immune if you've had it.

I would have liked something new from the press conference yesterday, even cancelling public events of a certain size would have made me feel confident that positive action has been taken. Any bit of guidance that people, employers, businesses could have followed.

As it is, we've had to rely on the EFL for example, to make these decisions to protect the public, rather than the people we elected to do that. It's clear people aren't confident with the steps that have been taken, so now everyone is making their own decisions, and I feel like it's getting a bit chaotic. Surely everyone doing the same would be better?

@RhymingRabbit3

I rather liked "I don't even believe that there is a Coronavirus."

It was jaw dropping....

"Its fine to go out when you're self isolating as long as you dont go close to anyone"

To be fair a medical expert on sky said that they could go out for walks.

No. I do agree with him about flattening the curve but there is still no evidence people even get long term immunity from this. The WHO also clearly disagree as do many other UK experts. I am also concerned that they keep referring to behavioral science.

My biggest issue is the amount of confusion out there and lack of acknowledgement that there are people with underlying conditions who are much younger and don't know what to do. There also needs to be less advice and more telling schools and employers that people must isolate for 7 days with a cough etc. It is all too wishy washy and people are having issues.

I think this is going to come back and bite him.

It’s been classed as an ELE by some expert virologists.

This means you need to put a firm lid on it.

The advice is not clear enough.
I have a cough , certain it isn't CV but I have decided not to visit a friend who lives with her father who is in his 90s and is unwell tomorrow. However other people may decide to visit anyway, who could be carrying the virus without symptoms.

Many people will die, it feels like we are being used as an experiment into herd immunity.

It does not sit right with me.

You can’t get herd immunity as it’s flu like.

It’s all bullshit.

No not at all. I don't believe the strategies they have put in go far enough, and it's so clear from here and elsewhere that people aren't even sticking to those. You would imagine that people motivated enough to read the 'Coronavirus' sub forum would be biased towards being more proactive than the average member of the public. And yet there have been so many posts the last couple of days by people who have read the facts from Italy, know the PHE recommendations and still don't believe the rules apply to them.
I absolutely don't buy the government theory that people will get tired of strict measures - as it stands so much of normal life is cancelled, people are already stressed, upset, missing things important to them, but without significantly reducing any risk. How much public goodwill will he have left when it's clear the measures aren't working and we are expected to trust the same experts who suggested them-and then restrict our lives even more. With the huge scaling down of testing we aren't even going to have meaningful figures available to encourage people to keep following their strategies.

And any idea how you flatten the curve by doing bugger all?

I think it's a very complicated and very new situation - someone said on TV we haven't seen anything like this in peace time in any of our lifetimes before. There's really no course of action that would not be problematic in some way.

I read today that to achieve herd immunity then 60% of the population need to be infected. At a 3% mortality rate of a population of 70 million that's 1.26 million people dead. They can't possibly think this is a good idea.

I feel he has made the wrong decision. Children are not severely ill (generally) but there are many older and vulnerable people working in schools who have been thrown to the wolves. I work in a secondary school with over 1200 students, I have chronic asthma, high blood pressure and t2 diabetes. I am very high risk and I can't see a way of avoiding infection given my working environment. I'm terrified yet I just have to carry on going to work every day as if everything is normal when actually I feel as though I'm staring down the barrel of a gun.

Well the WHO don’t think so and I trust them over Boris.

It has to be intensional.

To not even curb travel??

I trust WHO.

Mike Ryan was really trying to tell Boris.

We live in horror at Auschwitz, yet the potential death toll from "herd immunity" assuming its even sucessful is similar.

All it needs is for good people to do nothing.

Don't you need vaccinations to acquire herd immunity?

This is just an exercise in eugenics. Get rid of the weakest.

Stopping testing is stupid. How are those of us who think we might have it supposed to act in the future? We won't know if we've got this supposed herd immunity will we????

We were only following orders.

Where have I heard that before.

I’m worried now I heard the who conference, it seems they are directly opposed to what we are doing. That can’t be good.

One thing I read is that while building up herd immunity you should isolate and protect your vulnerable. Problem is we are not being given the opportunity to do this.

Dd is immuno compromised. She still has to go to work and so do I. She lives at home so if I catch it and pass it to her she could well die. Or she could catch it at work and then die.

As well as myself out of my 3 colleagues 2 are also immuno compromised and really should be protected. So if we took them and me out of work that would leave one healthy person to do the job. Not fair on her especially as she’s a single mum and probably doesn’t want it. No way would work allow us to just not turn up though.

Cattle need several vaccines per year for a strain of the corona virus.

That’s because it changes frequently with no immunity acquired.

I understand what they are trying to do. But I’m listening to the who conference and it’s clear they really really don’t support our approach. They want every country to move quickly and aggressively to turn it back. They don’t want it to be allowed to linger and spread or countries to fail to act.

Exactly!