I am so angry with our government

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I think I have Coronavirus. Started with the hacking dry, cough on Monday, then the temperature etc. My children are the same. I'm self isolating at the advice of my GP.

I work for a local authority, have seen numerous members of the public in the last few weeks as I always would along with staff within my office and from other offices.

I will not be tested. My case will not be included in the stats. I could have passed this onto numerous people. Some very vulnerable and high risk.

The governments action and advice on this is s fucking travesty. An absolute disgrace. No checks for people entering or leaving the country, no testing of those with symptoms unless you're at sea ha door, no banning of large events, no schools shutting.

Not only have public services and the NHS been systematically dismantled over recent years, but now when there is a genuine situation of catastrophe, the government are white washing as it happens. And nobody seems to be absolutely furious about this.

What the fuck has happened. When did we become like this. Like lambs to slaughter.

The get are following the advice of the chief medical officer and scientific officer who I think feel that WHO are still thinking it can be contained

The WHO has been begging from Monday, live in press conferences and obviously will have been liaising directly with the British Govt too. They've done all but name the UK as going absolutely against their advice.

I presume they have no jurisdiction over our government?

Can Boris continue doing what he wants, even if it endangers everyone as people’s will continue to fly in and out of the U.K. ?!

I am so scared. Sat here in tears. I cannot cope with this.

"Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus urged countries to use aggressive measures, community mobilisation and social distancing to save lives.
"Do not just let this fire burn," he said."

What part of this does numskull Boris not understand?

I'm in a high risk group.I want to keep my children home and I will educate them and work from home at the same time. There is no proof of this herd immunity nonsense.
Ireland is adopting a strategy of social distancing, peoplee are still going to work, the economy is being supported but sensible measures are being taken. Barely anyone is complaining the country is pulling together to protect the most vulnerable until we a) figure out better treatment b) get more icu capacity in line c) find a vaccine.

As a vulnerable 44 year old I feel like I'm being totally abandoned to die in this country for the sake of the bloody economy. This is not acceptable.

Now that the virus is in the community rather than being brought in from abroad they can't possibly track contacts for everyone.

They can't possibly do it? Well, South Korea just did it. You can't do it if you don't even bother to try.

No WHO is merely there to help coordinate responses etc it has no actual jurisdiction over Governments at all.

Part of the problem is the WHO still says this can be contained - personally I dont think it can its too out there now no amount of aggressive measures is going to put this back. The delay in December/January in doing anything is the cause of this not the UK.

That said its pretty easy for us to self isolate ourselves or for people to avoid us its not like we share borders with anyone else. If we let the fire burn it may just be us that gets burnt!

I genuinely think our top public health scientists are doing the right things, based on real data modelling and previous pandemic experiences.

What the public want to hear is "we've made it all go away and nobody has died" but sadly that simply isn't one of the options.

I think there are a lot of choices people can make for themselves, based on their own personal risk assessment.

I'd much rather medical resource was channelled into care, rather than testing at this stage.

I am sat here with the cough, tight chest etc.

Is this why you are angry? Have you not had similar problems in previous winters? Who did you blame then?

What the public want to hear is "we've made it all go away and nobody has died" but sadly that simply isn't one of the options.

I don’t think anyone thinks heading that is very likely now.

I think what people want is for our government to sound like they are following WHO advice and not doing the opposite.

I thought they said that there were cases of people being repeatedly infected meaning that it's unlikely you become immune after one dose?

No that is not correct, you develop immunity after infection. Those who were supposedly reinfected were wrongly declared recovered when actually they hadn't fully recovered from the virus.

They can't possibly do it? Well, South Korea just did it. You can't do it if you don't even bother to try.

And yet they have almost 8000 cases, with 110 reported new ones. Has it helped?

I don't understand how countries will avoid reinfecting one another if the vaccine isn't swift.. and a failing economy will cost lives too.. there are a lot of unknowns and a lot to balance. I couldn't presume to know who is right in all this.

Can somebody link to the actual WHO advice on what governments should be doing? The bits the UK government is ignoring. There's so much information and misinformation about, I can't find it.

The leading expert you have linked to is only aged 36!

I'd happily take advice on Coronavirus from someone who has a decade of post-doctoral experience in global public heath which, as a professor, he probably has.

No that is not correct, you develop immunity after infection. Those who were supposedly reinfected were wrongly declared recovered when actually they hadn't fully recovered from the virus.

Can you post a link to this information please

I’ve had the illness you describe, two weeks ago, before CV was supposed to be in the U.K.

I know you’re anxious but do you actually have any reason to believe it’s CV? Are you in an area where it’s known to be in the community? Or been in contact with it? I wouldn’t assume that you’ve got it.

The government is as new to this virus as we are, we can not blame them for the measures they take as they are only being advised by professionals that are also new to this virus. it is a difficult time for everyone, we can only hope that warmer weather will give us some respite.

Tearing people doesn’t stop the virus, or stop it spreading.....
It only tells you if someone has it or not... unless you are advocating testing before they become symptomatic? As in test is all and keep testing? Which I’m sure you’ll agree is ridiculous

What they are saying is if you have any of the symptoms, act as if you DO have it, and self isolate for 7 days.... you’ll get over it, and if you don’t, THEN you seek medical attention....
the thing is, it won’t work, because people think the rules don’t apply to them.

As much as we'd all love to be able to guarantee everyones safety against this virus it just isn't possible at this point with no vaccine. We can't stop the spread just the speed of it. It's completely impractical for everyone to self isolate. I understand people feeling angry that they feel the government maybe putting the economy first but according to the briefing yesterday if we all go into self-isolation we would have to do it for 14 weeks at this point and how would we know an overseas visitor wouldn't then start everything off again? If we all self isolated for 14 weeks the economy would be on its knees and would indirectly cause deaths. It's really a no win situation all around.

*testing

So you had to talk to your GP to work our that with a cough you need to self isolate? Oh dear, you lost me there I’m afraid.

I hope you didn’t attend the surgery to get that advice. Honestly just deal with it at home like you would anything else and get on with things. Obviously if you get really ill then go to hospital (I hope you don’t and you and your family feel better soon). I am fairly sure that we have all have it in our family at present and we are in isolation. It is nothing more than a minor ailment for us.
There is no point in doing checks at airports as the virus is already spreading from person to person AND airports do not have the resources or expertise to perform these checks. Furthermore closing schools will cause huge problems for working parents and there is little to no evidence it will help as children are the people least likely to be affected.
I’m not sure where you think the NHS is going to get the resources to perform checks on everyone who could possibly have corona but it is simply impossible. I actually think the govt are managing things ok. Hindsight might prove me wrong but they appear to be listening to scientists for a change, which I approve of.

"Coronavirus: Why does the UK have more modest controls?" - BBC article explaining the strategy

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51874084

I think it's the fact that schools have a higher tendency to be an excellent breeding ground for germs and illnesses. The government are talking about slowing the spread of the virus until the nhs can cope with the peak, and although children are unlikely to get any more than a very mild illness in all this they can be prominent carriers of germs and infection. This is why many people may feel, myself included as I work with people particularly vulnerable to the virus, that the government haven't done all they can and social distancing measures need to go further

Every country bar us has fought it.

I dread to think what our nos will be.
We will only know by the distress signs, signals whistle blowing from NHS and when people in gov turn.
Crems backing up, dead, not enough coffins.

What people who keep saying this stragety is right fail to realise is, the community will still get it, with social distancing. They havre robbed us of that choice.

To be fair I think this is why so many usual tory haters like this actioned!