Raging at Boris Johnson's irresponsible response to Covid 19

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BJ said I must level with you, I must level with the British public: many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time

How fucking dare he. This kind of phrase belongs in a rousing speech where the public are asked to come together to do what we can to help prevent those deaths. e.g. not going to large events, doing social distancing.

Not one which says "business as usual".

There was a government adviser on the radio saying they've not banned sporting events because they're in the open and in sunlight.

What about those events undercover? Or after dark? If that's the case why aren't they banned?

They're saying they're acting on scientific advice, but they're adding a layer of interpretation which is about what they think is possible.

They lack faith in their ability to communicate what needs to be done to the population and they think we're all idiots who won't do it, basically. So they've taken the decision that they can't help people dying.

I don't know on what basis BJ and his government is making decisions, but it's not with our best interests at heart.

It's a "don't panic"'message from a government scared and disrespectful of the population, not leadership in a time of crisis.

Fucking raging.

Sorry about typos. Flaming phone!

Well apart from the "let's be honest a lot of people are going to die" message. How has what bj is doing any different to trump.
Head in sand and wait and see. Least in the us the states have a measure of individual control and are starting to close things down off their own back.

Hes chosen money and the economy over the health of the country! Despicable

My 6 year old just said to me, I think he could have made a better choice. It’s like our prime minster wants everyone to get sick. Smart boy.

He’s not worried by the way we have been very clear that it’s just like a cold (I know this isn’t the case).

The government is taking the piss now and I’ve been one of those “whatever happens , happens” people. until now I really wasn’t getting in a tizz over this but as more and more countries are getting their shit together and our numbers are rising but seemingly not doing much of anything, I am starting to think at this rate we’re going to be worse than Italy.

Italy's Serie A, Spain's La Liga, France's Ligue 1, the Dutch Eredivise and the Danish top league all suspended based on their government advice. Yet up until 9.30pm the Premier League were saying they were planning to carry on as normal due to UK government advice that there was no need to suspend the league. Literally 15 minutes later they had to retract that after the Arsenal manager and a Chelsea player tested positive for Coronavirus.

The government will not take any action until a huge portion of us have been affected by the illness. Their "herd immunity" strategy flies in the face of international consensus and is a cold-blooded psychopathic attempt to "get coronavirus done" and minimise the duration of the outbreak, even if it means hundreds of thousands more people die.

We don't know yet whether China's strategy has worked, what happens when they're out of lockdown and back to work etc?

If they've managed to avoid a lot of people from getting it there will be no herd immunity and people will start catching it again. The only way lockdown would work is if it continued until a vaccine was available ie at least 12 to 18 months.

I agree peel once China is back to normal it will continue to spread again surely? It will only take one person to have it and they will be back to square one.

What's the point in testing? It's out there!

We are nowhere near the stage of giving up on testing and assuming everyone has it. The WHO has been extremely clear that we should not be giving up on containment strategies yet - that means aggressive identification and isolation of cases. Same advice from other international experts. It's really only the UK and Trump that are following this Don't Test, Don't Tell policy.

Their aim is to do the opposite of what the experts recommend. Rather than flattening the curve, they want a spike in cases to create herd immunity (no matter how many people die off in the process) to get this over with and minimise the impact on the economy

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" Are they going to sit at home, alone rather than go to the pub or the cinema or whatever? Or even just their friend's house? Where they will be in even closer contact, for longer."
At a population level smaller meetings are much less risky than mass gatherings.

It does strike me that the UK seems to be the only country suggesting the spread through the population to build immunity is a good thing.

Based on the post I x posted with, the USA may be also following that approach too.

@peeledplumtomatoes I agree with you. That is the worry. China back to work and whoosh it all kicks off again as all they have done it hidden from it. I don’t understand why everyone on here thinks that they know better than the chief scientist and chief medical officer. Why can’t we all have a bit of trust in the experts. It’s all we have. We need to now stick together and hold hands through this. And as if somebody moaning that Boris was not ‘inspiring enough’. Jesus wept. This is serious shit. I would rather a somber and realistic prime minister than someone jumping up and down trying to inspire us all. This is a somber time. We all need to button down and help one another as he said. The reality is this virus is going to work it’s way around the world. In a global world it is uncontainable. We can hide but when we come out of hiding it will come back. I finally resigned myself to that fact yesterday and I think the experts have obviously realised the same. Hence the somber tone. I had a little cry and now I am ready to hold hands and work together to get through this and rather than moaning and whining would love to be with fellow country men and women who will work together to do the same.

I tell you who had an irresponsible response. Donald Trump. Blaming Europe for political gain because he knows he is completely unprepared. He shot from the hip. I personally am glad we have scientists and doctors running the show with a prime minister who is clearly listening to them and taking their advice and leading our country. Despite people looking elsewhere and moaning we are not doing the same as others. That is not leadership. How do we know if what Italy is doing is going to work? They are simply having to slow down the inevitable at the moment. It will work it’s way down Italy. They are slowing it down. We have been told to isolate if we have a cough or a fever. For 7 days. So let’s do it. Together. How the hell will stopping flights from Europe stop this virus that is already in the USA. And what happens when those flights start again. Please let’s have faith that we need to stand together with the data and the facts.

And as for the NHS being ‘ready’! No health service anywhere in the world is ready for something like this. It is extraordinary. But at least we have a health service free at point of use. Thank Christ. The health service is going to win or lose based on the heroics of our doctors and nurses. And there will be heroes. I would prefer now to be supporting people on the front line than moaning about Boris.

@Bool, totally agree. The vast majority of us will get this at some point. Either in this first wave or subsequent waves. Eventually as a population we will have herd immunity and hopefully maybe next year there will be a vaccine available.

The government and chief medical advisers are looking at this at a population level. And as a population we need to develop immunity. But lives will be lost along the way just as no doubt happened when the 'normal flu' strain emerged before a vaccine was developed.

I'm resigned to getting it and am trying to accept the possibility that DH could be a casualty as he is immunocompromised, has asthma and if the hospitals are at capacity when he gets it, we'll be in a very difficult situation.

I haven't heard anything about private hospitals. Surely in this situation they should be taken over by the NHS to provide more capacity?

Boris has taken advice from the experts in our country not sure what else he can do. If it makes you feel better spouting venom crack on.

They lack faith in their ability to communicate what needs to be done to the population and they think we're all idiots who won't do it, basically.

Given the number of utter fucking numpties on Mumsnet who are explaining why the instruction to stay home with a new cough or fever doesn’t apply to them or their family they may not be far off tbh.

I think the problem is there is a fine balance between getting it together and acting and panicking. Personally I don’t see how this can remotely be contained I think WHO should have made this a pandemic sooner and I think they need to be admitting that at the levels we so clearly have containment is impossible and creating a clear coping strategy to get through it,

The UK though has it in droves numerous other cases are linked in Canada and US and numbers are lack of testing. It’s going to be bumpy and one can only hope the second wave isn’t worse

But why is the uk response different from basically every other country in the world? Even if we do need to develop herd immunity it doesn’t need to be done all at once. Soon they may have anti virals to help. Or a vaccine. We will have people dying alone and isolated. Family unable to come give them a hug. Hospitals overwhelmed and people being turned away. It will be a very scary time.

I am not feeling the Blitz spirt right now.

This isn't the Battle of Britain. This is the Charge of the Fucking Light Brigade.

From the WHO, who are clearly sounding an alarm addressed at those taking an approach like ours.

"𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗮 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗳𝘁 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗴𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗶𝘀 𝘄𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗱𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗿𝗼𝘂𝘀.

COVID-19 is a controllable pandemic. Countries that decide to give up on fundamental public health measures (like case finding and contact tracing) may end up with a larger problem, and a heavier burden on the health system that requires more severe measures to control. WHO urges all countries to take a comprehensive approach tailored to their circumstances – with containment as the central pillar 👉"

People won’t really stay at home if they have a minor cough for fear of losing their job cos they look like they are skiving

Very glad I don't appear to live in the same country the OP does (I live in the UK) and here we have a eminently sensible PM, not afraid to lay out stark truths, backed by world class medical advisors.

Quite correctly, the governments job is to balance ALL of the factors and outcomes of this situation, economic and social. There is no sense in attempting to provide a solution that saves the maximum amount of lives at the expense of wrecking the country for decades.

Just like in war, tough decisions have to be made: compare the scenario of a terrorist group making biological weapons using an orphanage for cover. Someone has to make the decision to bomb the orphanage, killing 20 children but saving countless thousands in the future. Our PM would have to make that decision and from what I have seen he would make the right call.

I was genuinely moved by a PM giving exactly what was needed, with no weasel words or attempts at political point scoring. Essentially providing strong leadership when the country needed it and inspiring confidence that the grown-ups were in charge.

Just imagine if Corbyn's rabble had been running this response!!!

We are in Scotland and my only hope is that Nicola sturgeon has more sense to help us

tim091

ROFL.

When this is all over you'll get a dystopian sitcom out of it.