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Worried about coronavirus thread 23

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ofwarren · 12/03/2020 10:19

Welcome to thread 23
Here is a link to the previous thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3845520-Worried-about-coronavirus-thread-22

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stuckinreverse · 12/03/2020 13:20

@georgedawes i searched high & low yesterday, hubby finally picked one up from sainsbury - if you go online onto groceries, might need an account, they have the braun age precision, can have one delivered or pay to reserve for collection if you don't want to risk it being sold out by the time you get there either way you are able to see where stock is available, might have some left?

ofwarren · 12/03/2020 13:20

Princess Cruises cancels all cruise holidays for two months due to coronavirus t.co/cPurnXMOGv t.co/d0nk9TijrI
The express

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RedLentilYellowLentil · 12/03/2020 13:20

I think our approach is to protect vulnerable people (the elderly and immunocompromised) but let it spread in the rest of the healthy population who will, mostly, be fine.

I don't get this. In what sense are the elderly and immunocompromised protected if the virus is allowed to spread unchecked throughout of the rest of the population?

KarenTookTheKids · 12/03/2020 13:20

George if you are willing to post her area, maybe someone here is nearby and could pop one through her door? I would be happy to help if I am nearby. Though really it won't change anything, she probably knows if she has a temp and needs to take paracetamol. Does she have that in ok? Really testing won't make any difference, if she becomes unwell enough to require hospital admission then she will get it. If she can manage her symptoms at home, then she needs to keep well away from anyone else. Even without covid, that would be the advice!

ofwarren · 12/03/2020 13:21

Exactly @redlentilyellowlentil
It just means that my family is effectively housebound

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namechangemania · 12/03/2020 13:22

I’m having such an unproductive day/week at work this week just waiting around for the inevitable keep calm and carry on

Sunshinegirl82 · 12/03/2020 13:22

@RedLentilYellowLentil

I understand the general plan is to isolate older and more vulnerable people from the virus. The question is how to do that in a sustainable way that doesn't isolate them from society which is obviously complex.

Honestly, if you haven't watched Chris Whitty answer questions at the select committee I would really, really recommend it. He covers so much ground.

OldQueen1969 · 12/03/2020 13:23

Well, just had an interesting conversation with my Mum which has done very little to bolster my faith in the overstretched NHS and its ability to cope with very much at all.....

Brief overview - Mum has terminal cancer - ovarian / omentum / peritoneal - and has gone downhill rapidly in the last few weeks. her abdomen is now size 20 on a size 12 frame. beginning of February she had a scan and fluid was seen ti be minimal - the mass is mainly tumour, but her increase could now be fluid so the macmillan nurses have arranged an appointment at 8.00 am next Tuesday to scan and maybe put in a drain and because she can no longer manage stairs and is housebound, she needs hospital transport and assistance which we cannot provide ourselves safely or obviously would.

She was given the appointment by phone after chasing it - fair enough they are busy and she accepts she's not the only patient. Following instructions she phoned the unit at the hospital where treatment is to be held, to get the number for transport. Hospital says the GP is her proper route. She rings the GP and is given another number to ring. She goes through this number, presses all the right buttons to get to a human, and is then told that this is the wrong number and has been since last July. She rings new number - goes though buttons again and during this process there is information given that she must have her hospital letter about the appointment to hand with all the right references in order to arrange transport. As yet she has no letter because the appointment has been confirmed by phone. After being number umptyplonk in the queue and no longer able to cope with the looping piped music for a fairly long period, she presses 2 for a call back. This is over two hours ago and she is still waiting - fair enough, we understand the pressures the system is under.

When Mum rang her Macmillan nurse to tell her all about this, said nurse was pretty gobsmacked and checked the number they provide for transport - it is the out of date one since last July. They have not been told about this - which is bonkers because my Mum can't be the only person in this situation in our large town.

Obviously this is not directly CV related but it does make me a bit wobbly about the conviction from official sources that the NHS is well prepared for the current situation.

KarenTookTheKids · 12/03/2020 13:23

Ofwarren, if it works then you may well be able to go out sooner than if we closed the schools now. If you were living somewhere that has closed schools, which will eventually have to reopen, how long would you then have to remain housebound for?

Freezingold · 12/03/2020 13:23

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/novel-coronavirus-china

This is a good source of information. It is a letter and figures from the ECDC that has prompted Ireland’s response (I think). The emergency cobra meeting will be meeting I assume to respond to this too.

We now need to think of this as a European crisis. All of us, all countries are affecting each other and social distancing carried out in unison could be much more effective.

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 12/03/2020 13:23

Everyone talks as though it's 100% definitely the best thing to do but we don't actually know that.

Yes we do. There are hundreds of scientific papers and case studies that show this - here is one microbialmenagerie.com/social-distancing-1918-influenza-coronavirus-covid-19/

There are none that I've seen that show the opposite. If I"m wrong please show me the evidence.

China shows this.

China also shows that the mortality rate is roughly 4x higher if there is an overwhelmed health service (Hubei vs the rest of China mortality rates) so I'd say in our country where the health service is ALREADY overwhelmed without COVID-19 it's important to delay.

georgedawes · 12/03/2020 13:23

Thanks everyone, looking for one now. Karen she does have paracetamol and is absolutely keeping herself away from people. Her partner would look for one for her, but he has health probs and I don't want him to go out. She says OK but sounded quite breathless when I spoke to her.

Freezingold · 12/03/2020 13:24

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Better link.

ShanghaiDiva · 12/03/2020 13:24

@Sunshinegirl82
China has started the second phase now.
Office workers went back 24th Feb
Restaurants open with limited hours
Some markets and public places open
Schools not open, but talks of staggered opening starting 24th March
Strict quarantine for all China arrivals to prevent reinfection and second wave.
However, it will be months before everything returns to normal imo.

OldQueen1969 · 12/03/2020 13:25

Oh, and the macmillan nurse also said they don't always send a letter if a by phone appointment has been arranged. So that's not very joined up or clear either.

cjt110 · 12/03/2020 13:26

Just sayin.... Grin

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Sunshinegirl82 · 12/03/2020 13:26

If the peak is pushed into Winter because we take further action too early the outcomes will be worse. We have been told that the timing of further measures is key. There will be copious amounts of modelling on the appropriate timing. It probably isn't the right time "when everyone else does".

KarenTookTheKids · 12/03/2020 13:27

Thanks everyone, looking for one now. Karen she does have paracetamol and is absolutely keeping herself away from people. Her partner would look for one for her, but he has health probs and I don't want him to go out. She says OK but sounded quite breathless when I spoke to her

Aw bless her I hope she feels better soon Flowers

cjt110 · 12/03/2020 13:27

@georgedawes Could she see if a neighbour has one?

BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 12/03/2020 13:27

OldQueen that is outrageous. Your poor mum (and you) Flowers

A trickling of good news is always good no matter how little Shanghai!

daffodilsandblossom · 12/03/2020 13:28

@RedLentilYellowLentil Protect the vulnerable in the short-term - no visits to grandparents, strict practices at hospitals and GPs, encourage those who are older or have comorbidities to self-isolate.

Let it spread in the majority of the population, cases will peak and then fall as when people are exposed to it their immune system will have antibodies against the virus. In the long run, overall cases will decrease because of herd immunity which means less likely for the vulnerable (when they re-enter society) to catch it.

I am just speculating of course.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/03/2020 13:28

Weirdly DH had a fever, dry cough and pain in his testicles a couple of weeks ago. He was ill for a week. Hadn’t been abroad or near anyone who had. Now I wonder could it have been CV ? Surely we would have more cases locally if so , and I would have been unwell ( I am mid 50s).
Would it show up if he got tested now ?

FourTeaFallOut · 12/03/2020 13:29

I'd love to self isolate, chances are good I'm going to need a hospital bed if I get sick, I have ended up in hospital with breathing difficulties with a heavy cold and 'just the flu' just about had me. But I have three kids at school. I just want them home without financial penalty and without accusations of hysteria.

KarenTookTheKids · 12/03/2020 13:29

OldQueen, how bloody ridiculous! I am so sorry you are all going through this Flowers

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