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Coronovirus message from Italy
gardenflowergirl · 10/03/2020 23:28
Saw this message from an Italian on Facebook, saying it's going to be worse than we've been told:
TO ALL MY FRIENDS AROUND THE WORLD
Hello everybody, long post.
It's again about Corona virus. As you might know the situation here in Italy is tragic. With the wrong decisions that have been taken not to stop the economy, we are now at the point in which in the next 2 weeks we can expect to have the doctors to cure those who have a longer expectation of life and not to cure the others. Many many people are sick and many people need breathing support. True that italy has dismantled the best health system in the world (and we are now rushing to buy breathing machines) and we pay he consequences of this but it is also true that his virus is a true calamity, something that we have never seen before. So the message is to warn you. If you have cases in your country and they are telling you it is just a flue, it is wrong. It is just a flue for some but we have also 30 years old or less in intensive care, not to talk about old people or 50/60 years old people. The virus is highly contagious, I need to remark this.... and it spreads also before symptoms appear. From what I see there are cases in Europe, in the US etc. They will probably tell you the situation is serious when it will be serious so please start to take precautions now. It doesn't matter if you feel that you appear over worried, believe me. Some weeks ago we had an important basketball event, February 13th/16th with many people coming from the north. Now, March 10th, we have about 20 people in intensive care (100.000 people city) and in Niguarda hospital in Milan (much bigger) they have 30. Regular hospitals activities are no longer possible, if we don't stop the virus we might die also for a very stupid reason because the regular hospital activities are blocked. Even this past weekend people where at the beach and this happened for 3 reasons: italians tend not to respect the rules, young people think they don't get sick but they don't understand they'll make their parents sick and finally you don't see this enemy until doctors start to literally beg you to stay home because they have been working non stop for days and nights and they know they won't be able to assist everybody...or you start to hear that someone that you know is sick, two of my friends have sick parents for example. Personally I am doing all I can including using all the means I have not to go to work but many firms still haven't understood that they must stop. Please pray for this nightmare to end, it is the greatest struggle we have faced since world war. Schools are closed and we are trying to stay connected and work from home. Supermarkets now force you to keep distances and use masks...I mean, it's an apocalipctical scenario hard to believe and to explain. Do all you can to ask your governments to act immediately and strongly, no economy is worth a massacre like this. The world needs to review priorities. Again please say a prayer for us, we don't deserve to end like this. Take care ❤
SchadenfreudePersonified · 11/03/2020 08:32
Do y’all have to be so hostile to the OP?
I agree - no need to be nasty.
I think one thing that we can all agree on is that governments - and that certainly includes the shambles that is ours - have been incredibly short-sighted in cutting health services to the bone the way they have.
There should have been investment in the NHS, not repeated pruning - we haven't had a strong enough facility to cope with even the usual daily need for a long time now, let alone any slack for emergencies, The WHO has been warning for decades that we are long overdue for an epidemic - the govt should be ready for this, at least to some degree.
Of course politicians and their families will have private health care; why should they worry?
user1471448556 · 11/03/2020 08:32
People need to wake up. This is serious. Italy is suffering and their health system is at breaking point. They have far more hospital beds per 1000 people than the UK. We all know the NHS is already under immense pressure and understaffed. We are two weeks behind Italy. I hope our gov finally acts in a bid to prevent this getting out of control. So far the only clear advice has been ‘wash your hands’, whilst countries with far fewer cases (e.g. Denmark, Czech Republic) are closing schools, encouraging wfh, banning large events. Am hoping for strong measures today.
Cam77 · 11/03/2020 08:33
The problem is the British government is not communicating frankly and with detail with the population. It’s all very well saying “we’re monitoring things” and “let’s sit tight and what and see” when your children attend a small private school that gets disinfected each evening and your salary means that you private healthcare options available to you if required. And important government members and their families can always get a chartered flight out of the country entirely if the shit really starts hitting the fan. Some proper information would be nice regarding what is expected and when, what they plan about doing about it and for how long.
^ and further to what I said above, obviously if the government does not provide the information people need, then obviously others will fill the space - with a mixture of truths, lies, rumor and panic.
Gwenhwyfar · 11/03/2020 08:34
"It could happen over here, yes, but may well not."
Why do you think it happened in Italy, but won't happen here? A country with an NHS that is already under pressure, where there is no slack in the system and a lack of intensive care beds, apparently without the ability to test all people reporting symptoms and where 111 has been giving people stupid advice like 'go to A&E'?
BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 11/03/2020 08:34
The second article linked to by Justaboy was discussed at length yesterday on many of the Covid threads, lots of people gleefully interpreting the potential, possible, worse case scenario 15 measures as already in place and telling us asthmatic children wouldn't be treated.
The second is the press round robin I mentioned above.
Gwenhwyfar · 11/03/2020 08:36
Scroll down to the Italian video, EXCEPT if you're of a nervous disposition.
Cam77 · 11/03/2020 08:37
The idea that the government at this juncture still does not know whether we in the UK are likely looking at 1000 cases, 10,000, 100,000 or millions, and over what time scale this could occur, is ludicrous. Until they come clean, rumors will continue and panic and distrust will continue to grow.
RhodaCamel · 11/03/2020 08:45
I follow Dr John Campbell on YouTube and he said a similar thing yesterday. He says he is getting many emails from Italian nurses and doctors saying that they are inundated and basically having to prioritise who dies and who lives, I’m so scared for my family and in particular my elderly parents and in-laws. I can not comprehend how horrendous it would be knowing your family members will die because there is not enough medical equipment to save them and that younger, fitter, healthier people will be prioritised. It beggars belief that this can happen in modern, western countries in which their citizens give millions every year in taxes. This is all about money and the survival of the fittest. We mean nothing in the eyes of governments.
Inkpaperstars · 11/03/2020 08:46
Of course politicians and their families will have private health care; why should they worry?
No one is angrier than me about the govts criminal negligence in dealing with those returning from worse affected areas. I am horrified by the way they are dealing with it in that and some other ways.
I don't know if the private healthcare thing applies though...even if many do have it, it probably will not cover anything relating to coronavirus. Many private hospitals may be commandeered to be extensions of the nhs. Also as far as I know most don't have as much in the way of ICUs as the NHS. It seems like with the kind of health care needs this illness causes private healthcare won't be much of a fallback. I could be wrong.
MamaFlintstone · 11/03/2020 08:46
It’s all very well saying “we’re monitoring things” and “let’s sit tight and what and see” when your children attend a small private school that gets disinfected each evening and your salary means that you private healthcare options available to you if required.
And it’s all very well saying “close all the schools and everyone stay at home now!” when your children are old enough to entertain themselves while you work from home (or you don’t work anyway so it makes zero difference to you) or you’d be on full sick pay for the duration. Tell that to the single parents of pre-schoolers on zero hours contract or the self employed whose businesses are going under. Tell that to the children whose main meal of the day is usually their free school meal which they would no longer get. There are social consequences to taking these actions and they have to be balanced against the alternatives, even if people find that unpalatable.
emsy86 · 11/03/2020 08:51
Without sounding morbid... until I see videos inside Italian hospitals of all this chaos (which there would be many if it was as bad as they say) I will just stick to the news.
Anything that comes from Facebook or twitter etc is likely fake or at least greatly exaggerated.. people do it get likes and shares... it’s been happening for years.. everyone goes on about this great doctor that does these videos on YouTube.. do you really think he’s doing it out of the goodness of his heart or do you think the financial benefit to so many views and subscribers is getting him to carry on. If he was as good of a doctor as you are all making out I’m sure he would be in a surgery not on YouTube!
sonjadog · 11/03/2020 08:54
There was an article in a Norwegian paper from someone who has just got over it yesterday. She said she has felt worse from colds, it has been a bit boring being stuck at home, but she has got all her windows washed, reorganized her drawers and read some books she's been being to read. Funny how her story isn't being translated and sent all over the world....
emsy86 · 11/03/2020 08:57
If it’s true that we are 2 weeks behind Italy and we should see our peak begin in 2 weeks, this means Italy is currently seeing its peak so if we average over the next 10 weeks of 1000 cases a day in Italy they would still only end with up 80000 cases or 0.013% of their population... very similar figures to Hubei actually!
BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 11/03/2020 09:00
We had 500 fewer cases diagnosed yesterday than Monday and the number of people considered "cured" is rising slightly daily and remains always higher on the curve than deaths.
You can almost hear the sighs of disappointment from the guillotine on some threads
BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 11/03/2020 09:02
And I've just seen another doctor's video which has done the FB rounds and nauseum on one of the Snopes style sites - it's not a fake, she is a doctor. She's just also lied about the situation in her own hospital apparently saying there aren't enough of anything. The director of the hospital has confirmed it's not true.
Obviously he might be lying but to what end...
emsy86 · 11/03/2020 09:03
@BookMeOnTheSudExpress so true some people are so desperate for a real life disaster movie or desperate for it to be bad just so they can blame the government... last 2 days in the uk when people had predicted hundreds of new cases and we had only had 50 odd.. instead of saying oh the government may be doing a good job, straight away it was well were clearly not testing enough people haha
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