"Only the elderly/immune suppressed are at risk" - attitude of dicks?

[SylvanianFrenemies]

People who say not to worry about Coronavirus, because "Only the elderly/chronically ill/immune suppressed" are dicks.

Some of us fall into these categories. Some love people who fall into these categories. Some have some essence of humanity. Stop using "Only the xxx" to dismiss concerns. Stop conflating it with flu.

Wash your hands. Isolate yourself as required. Err on the side of caution.

YABU = I agree with these dicks.
YANBU = I am human.

It's a weird either/or mentality, very black and white thinking. It is possible to be simultaneously worried about elderly relatives AND reassured that ones children are not at risk. Humans have this amazing ability to hold more than one thought in their head at once...

There is no reasoning with you, I literally developed a headache last time I spoke to you about this topic. no people arent dicks for stating facts and no they are not callous for feeling reassured their group is not at risk. it's actually really weird that you want people to panic

I'm sorry that you don't understand what I'm saying but why don't you read other posts on this thread and the OP and see if you can understand. I stopped bothering to try and explain on the last thread as I can see you are one of those people that is never going to get it and unlike you I don't always try to get the last word btw. I haven't suggested that anyone should panic and I am certainly not panicking.

Frumpety I've read that that's the case, and also the sky high rate of smoking among Chinese men.

They may actually be reassured by it but if they posted that on a forum such as this people would say they were dicks.

No only people who insist on taking logical, up-to-date, scientific and reliable information from the places like NHS England and The World Health Organisation personally and making it all about their feelings.

The same sort of people who start a thread with a free vote where anyone who disagrees with them is a 'dick'

No one is saying that other people’s lives don’t matter, but there is so much hysteria over the virus, it’s becoming ridiculous. Don’t sneeze near others, wash your hands regularly, be sensible. Face masks are useless and any food shortages will be caused by hoarders. Anyone who is at risk is more likely to die from complications from ‘flu, that’s a fact.

Which is why flu vaccines exist. I have had flu, all it did was make me iller than the average person and take linger to recover. I am not really at risk of dying of it.
I think people are thinking by vulnerable they mean people who are very frail and ill. Like my father in the last year of his life, anything could have killed him. That is not what they mean at all. Vulnerable includes asthma, diabetes, heart issues that people live till their eighties with. These people are very unlikely to have complications of flu.

Having been pregnant twice, I'd FAR rather KNOW I was in a high risk group than be blissfully unaware of it in case my "feelings were hurt". I cannot believe people are advocating for health information not to be made public in case people get their feelings hurt.

People aren't advocating for the information not to be public. They are advocating for people to stop posting that the virus is no big deal because only people who are older or immunosuppressed will be affected.

Yes I'd feel so much better if all my loved ones were at high risk, not just some of them.

Dick.

Having been pregnant twice, I'd FAR rather KNOW I was in a high risk group than be blissfully unaware of it in case my "feelings were hurt". I cannot believe people are advocating for health information not to be made public in case people get their feelings hurt.

People aren't advocating for the information not to be public. They are advocating for people to stop posting that the virus is no big deal because only people who are older or immunosuppressed will be affected.

I voted yabu, sorry. My friend was worried about travelling to a bigger town in case she caught corona virus. I told her you almost certainly won't, but if you do it'll almost certainly be a minor illness.

I'm not a dick, I'm repeating the facts as explained by every expert on TV and in the papers.

Absolutely everyone has a loved one who is old and infirm. Everyone.

Saying “it’s only the old or compromised” isn’t necessarily dickish. People naturally worry more about their kids that their elderly relatives. That’s normal. They’re trying to reassure themselves.

People like facts so looking at SARS-CoV-2 (virus name) in previous outbreaks 2003 SARS 10 percent of infected people died. Between 2012 and 2019, MERS killed 23 percent of infected people.

COVID-19 (disease name) has killed more than the other two combined due to fast transmission.

The current virus binds to the ACE-2 receptor in an envelope binding to gain entry to your epithelial cells in the upper and lower airway. Dr. John Campbell on You Tube does some great videos to explain this.

The type II pneumocytes, which reside in the alveoli in the lower airway and produce lung-lubricating proteins which are important for lung function. So the invading virus overwhelms the receptors and why the disease can be severe.

Here is a Lancet article featuring the disease in a 50 year old man ( younger than my DP) www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

Does seem that ther Chinese infection rate is leveling off but not so good in the rest of the world, and not that surprising.

Trouble is that people move around if no one came into the UK then it wouldnt happen but you can't stop people moving around unless your a totalirian state like perhaps China?.

covid19info.live/

Yes I'd feel so much better if all my loved ones were at high risk, not just some of them.

Some people's children are immunocompromised though and at high risk. You are not in the same position as them just because your elderly parents or grandparents are at risk.

And yes by elderly they mean over 50. Not your 98 year old grandmother. MN thinks anyone under 85 is young. I doubt any think 50 is elderly. But that is what they mean. So no it does not just include elderly grandparents, but parents, including me.

I think you are over thinking these comments. A bit like text messages we tend to put meanings into phrases with no way of knowing what the writer is thinking. Yes coronavirus is potentially very worrying and very damaging to the economy. However we need to use common sense to reduce spread. This is not the first time nor the last. Major influenza, foot and mouth sars etc. There is a tendency amongst many people instead of doing our best, to catastrophise and panic. There are others who say tactless things in order to lighten it. Neither is a helpful approach. I am a pensioner and have a diabetic daughter and am not offended by these sort of comments. I prefer them to the gloom and doom brigade

OP here.

Just reiterating that I'm not saying people reassuring friends and family, or simply acknowledging that some groups are at increased risk, are dicks.

I'm saying that people (mainly online) whose views can be summarised as "Coronavirus is the same as a cold, only the old and sick will die, no need to have any discussion, action or concern" are dicks.

Newjez but that's exactly what people say when hand foot and mouth or slapped cheek is going around - it's not a risk to your preschooler, you only need to worry if you think you might be pregnant and ensure they stay away from anyone who might be.

woodchuck99 nothing to do with having the last word but it's really depressing seeing you on so many of these threads making people feel bad for apparently not caring if others die. not only is that false but it makes you look stupid. what is your point if you dont want people to panic? people who are immunocompromised themselves have said they know they are at a greater risk, people who are not in that category have said they are not unconcerned for their relatives/friends/themselves who are in that group but it is comforting that the whole nation is not. like a PP said we would all feel much better if all of us were in danger get off your high horse

I agree with you and in fact said this on a thread yesterday.

SylvanianFrenemies that's a big back pedal, but expressed as in your 09:48 post (not as in your opening post) you're right obviously.

@woodchuck99 and so? Would it be better if all children were at high risk, not only those who are immunocompromised? Would that make their parents worry less?

Interesting reading SlayB

There was an article somewhere I thought it might be on an Amercian site that reaseached the propspect that a persons breath was capable of carrying the infection, and not only droplets caused by sneezing and the like?.

If that is so then this may well explain the quick transmission!

zafferana, sixvixifvixhall is correct, it does have a 9% death rate at the moment. Stop automatically believing what the BBC say and analyse the statistics for yourself and you’ll see. Look at my post earlier of the matter. The BBC are taking the death versus case rate, which is indeed around 2%. They are failing to take into account that you can’t do that becuase we don’t know how many of those cases will die. Most are not recovered and 19% of them are ill enough to require oxygen. We don’t yet know what the outcome will be for those active cases.
If you look at those recovered versus those who have dies, in other words, people who have an outcome, the death rate is around 9%. Maybe look at the statistics for yourself. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

But even that is too early to say. As more people get it, the statistics change.

They are advocating for people to stop posting that the virus is no big deal because only people who are older or immunosuppressed will be affected

I havent seen a single post saying "eh- CV is no big deal and I'm not elderly so who cares?!!"
If you are seeing lots of this on SM then maybe you need to reconsider who you choose to be friends with....

nothing to do with having the last word but it's really depressing seeing you on so many of these threads making people feel bad for apparently not caring if others die. not only is that false but it makes you look stupid. what is your point if you dont want people to panic?

And yet here you are trying to have the last word. I'm not going to try and explain myself to you again because you clearly don't get it. As I said, read the OP and other posts which are saying the same thing and reflect on the fact that at the moment 61% of people agree with OP. I am saying the same thing. Please don't try and insult me by suggesting I'm stupid. I'm really not the person who is hard of understanding here.