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The 'Positive Mental Health' Corona virus thread

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RapidRainbow · 13/02/2020 10:42

There are a lot of posts of people worrying. I thought it could be helpful to share positive and assuring information in one thread.

For me, the most reassuring thing so far is the fact that of approx. 1500 people in the UK suspected to have and tested for CV have come back as negative.

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Alsohuman · 08/03/2020 09:28

This and the thread about not worrying yourself shitless are the only ones I’m reading. Apparently not being in a state of hyper anxiety is complacent and is a stance of I’m all right, Jack.

I’m just wondering how many people running round like headless chickens are the same ones who keep telling us Brexit will be fine because it will revive our blitz spirit? At least that’s one argument out of the window.

ExpletiveDelighted · 08/03/2020 09:34

I hid Aibu about 2 years ago for the sake of my mental health and it has made MN a much better place for me. I have numerous other topics hidden mainly because they're not relevant. I hid the CV one after about 2 days.

tud41 · 08/03/2020 09:44

www.thesun.co.uk/news/11120039/coronavirus-uk-cases-numbers/

I know its the sun but they are normally all for doomsday stuff so something positive from them is always nice ha

unluckyagain · 08/03/2020 09:45

I only realised a couple of days ago that you can hide threads. I was about to delete Mumsnet from my phone as some threads were fuelling my anxiety. I'm now taking great pleasure in hiding them. It's a revelation. Smile

Jrobhatch29 · 08/03/2020 10:22

@tud41 thanks for that. Its in the sunday times too. I go between total worry and total denial ha x

MrsP2015 · 08/03/2020 11:10

Everything I've read so far looks like children would be totally ok if they caught it which helps me feel a bit better.

Orangeblossom78 · 08/03/2020 11:37

There was something on BBC news about why women and children are less affected today, I'll find it for you might be reassuring.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51774777

Women seem to be less likely to die from coronavirus than men; and children appear to be less likely to die than other age groups.
Most people will get a mild infection, but the pattern is clear in the most severe cases. So, what is going on?
All the information we have is coming from a massive study by the Chinese Centres of Disease Control.
It looked at 44,000 people and showed 2.8% of infected men died compared with 1.7% of women.
And 0.2% of children and teenagers died compared with nearly 15% of people over the age of 80.
Are women and children less likely to catch coronavirus?
There are two ways of explaining the findings.
Either these groups are less likely to be infected in the first place, or their bodies are more able to cope with the virus.
"Normally with new viruses circulating, everybody gets infected, that's the important point," says Dr Bharat Pankhania, from the University of Exeter.
This is because there is no immunity to the virus as nobody has been exposed to it before.
Although in the very early stages of an outbreak children may be less likely to catch the virus.
"One reason we haven't seen so many cases in children is they are protected at the beginning of outbreaks, parents keep children away from the sick," said Dr Nathalie MacDermott, from King's College London.
What's saving women's lives?
You might be surprised there's a difference between men and women's death rates from coronavirus, but scientists aren't.
We see the same effect in a wide range of infections including flu.
Part of the answer is men are generally in worse health than women due to lifestyle choices like smoking.
"Smoking damages your lungs, that's not going to be a winner," says Dr MacDermott.
This may be a particular problem in the China where estimates suggest 52% of men smoke compared with just 3% of women.
But there are also differences in the way the immune systems of men and women respond to infection.
"Women have intrinsically different immune responses to men, women are more likely to suffer from auto-immune diseases and there is good evidence that women produce better antibodies to vaccines against flu," says Prof Paul Hunter, from the University of East Anglia.

Are there any risks in pregnancy?
Officially the answer is no, but experts have raised doubts.
Pregnancy does many things to the body, including weakening the immune system.
That stops their body rejecting the foetus in their womb, but it also makes women more susceptible to infection. Pregnant women are more likely to die from flu than non-pregnant women of the same age.
The UK government says there is "no obvious sign" that pregnant women are more likely to be severely affected by coronavirus.
"I'm not so confident," says Prof Hunter.
"It is based on data from nine pregnant women, so I don't think you can say everything is fine.
"If it was my wife I would be encouraging her to take precautions, wash hands and so on and be double careful."
Can children get coronavirus and what are the symptoms?
Yes they can catch coronavirus, the youngest cases have been only days old.
There is very limited information on the symptoms of Covid-19 in children, but they appear to be mild - fever, runny nose and a cough.
You would normally expect the very young to be quite sick. That is certainly the case in flu when children under 5 (and especially those under 2) are at higher risk of complications.
"People tend to get more ill at the extremes of age as they have lower resilience," says Dr Pankhania.
There have been some cases with more severe complications and those with other health problems, such as a weakened immune system or severe asthma, will be at greater risk. But overall the virus appears to be milder in children.
So can children's immune systems contain the coronavirus?
There are important differences between a child's immune system and an adult's.
In childhood our immune systems are immature and they tend to overreact, it is why fevers (a high temperature) are so common.
An immune system going into overdrive is always a bad thing because it can damage the rest of the body and is one of the reasons coronavirus can be deadly.
"You'd expect it to go haywire and it's not doing that," said Dr MacDermott.
"There must be something this virus does that is not as readily stimulating the immune system in children, but what that is is unclear.
"They don't seem to be mounting a disproportionate immune response and some seem to be asymptomatic."
There are some diseases that it is better to have in childhood, chickenpox being a prime example, because of the way the body responds at different points in life.
Although it is worth remembering we have relatively little information in children.
"My concern is we haven't had enough cases to really know what the mortality is, particularly in the under ones and newborn infants," Dr MacDermott says.

TwoleftUggs · 08/03/2020 11:39

Can feel anxiety spiralling today. I’ve contributed bits to this thread previously so maybe someone else can help me now! I’d got quite good at focusing on the good news rather than the apocalypse types but I’m having trouble finding anything good to focus on today Sad I’ve been for a walk in the sunshine with my dog and just about to go to the gym but it’s not helping, yet.

AutumnRose1 · 08/03/2020 11:58

I wish Boris would get on and tell people to keep calm.

Honestly, I can’t imagine what would happen if we had bombs dropping on us again.

Orangeblossom78 · 08/03/2020 12:03

I was Ok till I started reading the news online, I guess it is the search for certainty / fear of 'not knowing' but what happens is can find stuff which makes you feel worse...going to try and switch off from it a bit now. keep worrying about family who have e/g/ asthma (have they inhalers?, should I ask them?) wondering if it makes their condition worse in particular.I mean even if it does, does actually knowing that information help in any way? Probably, not really. So need to try and let it go a little perhaps.

Obviously, do the main things hand washing and the link but otherwise try and go out etc as usual as shutting myself indoors with all this info might not be wise for mental health.

Orangeblossom78 · 08/03/2020 12:04

Twilight maybe you'll feel better after getting out and exercising, it can help fingers crossed.

Orangeblossom78 · 08/03/2020 12:04

Twolegs, I mean, autofill..

Spudlet · 08/03/2020 12:06

Boris won’t tell people to keep calm because this suits him just fine. If everyone is in a flap about coronavirus, we aren’t scrutinising things like his choice of Home Secretary - a person who was fired as a minister because she used her family holiday to undertake some unofficial diplomacy and then lied about it; and who appears to have a nasty habit of bullying her civil servants - one of whom took an overdose as a result. Or the fact that the Parliamentary standards body is investigating his Caribbean holiday. Or that he was nowhere to be seen during the recent floods (in contrast to the election, when he couldn’t wait to grab a mop for a photo op). Or that, despite the fact that ‘he’s got Brexit done’, we don’t actually have a deal and are still on course to crash out at the end of the year. Or that a racist eugenics believer was appointed as an advisor to Number 10.

Nope, everyone panicking about loo roll suits Boris just fine.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 08/03/2020 12:07

If Boris told people to keep calm, they would expect the worst and panic! Much better for him to shut up and let people who know what they are talking about be the ones who say things about this.

MarshaBradyo · 08/03/2020 12:09

A WHO expert said keep calm and contain - sounds about right.

In the park today so busy, more people that usual, lovely weather. I think getting outside in the sunshine and air can help.

Alsohuman · 08/03/2020 12:11

My mind’s working the same way as yours @Spudlet. This couldn’t be more convenient.

Spudlet · 08/03/2020 12:15

@Alsohuman Yep. This is wonderful for Boris. He gets to cosplay as a scientist (and isn’t it amazing how suddenly those boring old experts seem back in vogue again?) and do a sub-prime Churchill impersonation, and nobody asks inconvenient questions.

AutumnRose1 · 08/03/2020 12:16

“ If Boris told people to keep calm, they would expect the worst and panic! ”

That’s what I thought initially.

Now I’m thinking one of the medical bods could do it but I suppose it’s harder for them to say “stop stockpiling”.

Orangeblossom78 · 08/03/2020 12:17

Ok, here's a positive, spiring is coming, the birds are singing. Much better to not have ice / snow etc at the same time as this, or it happening over Christmas for example. The mornings are lighter too. If we have to stay home at least can maybe go out in the garden and get some fresh air.

Orangeblossom78 · 08/03/2020 12:18

Some of the MN threads have made me smile- e.g.

Does Zoflora get rid of Coronavirus?

Should I stop the Cleaner coming?

Ummm...

Alsohuman · 08/03/2020 12:19

I was thinking this morning how easy in the midst of all this it would be for him just to say we’ve left the EU at the end of the year without actually doing it, who’d question it? Or to request an extension to the transition, because who’s interested in negotiating deals when there’s an international public health crisis? He must be thinking all his birthdays have come at once.

AutumnRose1 · 08/03/2020 12:19

Orange, lovely if you have a garden.

I’m seriously thinking of getting that Moriarty quote on a T shirt. Perhaps wearing my irritation will make me feel better.

If I’m told to self isolate, I will of course, but I hope the hysteria calms down.

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PineappleDanish · 08/03/2020 12:48

I've been following Jeremy Faust on Twitter - he's awesome. So matter of fact about the whole thing and really has a handle on the numbers, science and epidemiology of it all.

His figures put the overall fatality rate at around 0.5%. That's what's happening in South Korea where they have tested everyone. In China, initially they were only testing people who were ill enough to go to hospital, unsurprisingly, many more died. Faust argues that so many people are asymptomatic or have such mild symptoms that they don't need hospitalised that this lowers the death rate enormously.

This isn't some random GP either - he's a Harvard Med School graduate, emergency doctor in Boston and writes for the American College of Emergency Physicians.

PineappleDanish · 08/03/2020 12:52

however unhinged some of the posts sound, there's always a little voice in the back of my mind going, "But what if they're RIGHT...?"

That's exactly how I'm feeling too. It's information overload. Anxious people egging on other anxious people and contaminating those of us who aren't particularly anxious people in other situations.