Manchester foiled attack and Islamists

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Who wants a bet that the Manchester foiled attack was more Islamist terror?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq07ly8xzvn4o

While people are sympathizing over anti Semitic rappers can we bring our attention to the real product of the anti Semitic feeling in the UK. This is what globalise the intafada looks like.

Are you Jeremy Corbyn?

The "yes but what about" stuff got really old a while back

Quite the opposite. I don't judge a person by their religion. Would you put Gideon Levi and Ben Gvir in the same boat because they are both Jewish.

Disraeli is long dead. I am not judging him. This conversation is getting more and more unfathomable. I'm out.

Nope. Far from.

Fucking terrifying...

UK gave citizenship to Hamas chief’s guard, then he ‘plotted terror’

Who are these moronic halfwits in charge of UK decision-making!

Two Iranian nationals who arrived in the UK by small boat have been charged with terror offences over an alleged plot to target the Jewish community in Manchester.

Rahman Salehi, 35, of Salford, and Salam Ahmadyan, 36, from Liverpool, are accused of preparing to commit an act of terrorism or assisting another to commit an act of terrorism on or before 20 September.

The men were arrested in Manchester's Northern Quarter on the eve of Yom Kippur, considered the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said news that two Iranian men had been charged over the alleged plot would be "deeply distressing" to Manchester's Jewish community, as the city marks one year since the Heaton Park Synagogue attack.

Counter Terrorism Police (CTP) allege the two men were in contact with a third-party overseas, who may be in Iran, in relation to the plot.

According to CTP, the men are accused of obtaining instructions to make a chlorine bomb, acquiring liquids, components and equipment for such a device, researching potential targets and conducting reconnaissance of potential locations for attack.

It is understood the suspects arrived via small boat in 2020 and 2023. One was granted asylum, and the other has a live asylum claim.

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said: "These recent events are a stark reminder of the threats posed against this country from both terrorists and foreign state actors."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqx29nke55kno

The men are due to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court today.

Let's not forget about that recent foiled terror event on an Islamic gathering that a bunch of white people got arrested for before we judge a whole group of people.

Can you please stop minimising the risk of Islamic terror.

of course it’s not all Muslims, but radical islamists are massive over represented in terror attacks. 75% of Mi5’s watch list are Muslim. We need to be able to talk about this.

last year the UAE stopped scholarships to British universities because they’re worried about their young people being radicalised here! Countries in the Middle East are baffled why we haven’t proscribed groups like the Muslim brotherhood which are banned there.

Do you mean the one with this outcome?

Cdr Helen Flanagan, head of Counter-Terrorism Policing London, said: "This has been a fast-moving investigation after we became aware of information to indicate there was a potential threat towards the Islamic event over the course of last weekend.
"Since then, we have made extensive inquiries, but at this time we have found no evidence to support anyone being charged with any offences linked to the alleged threat.”

Two Iranian Islamists remanded for plotting to murder Jews in Manchester.

What was foiled?

Oh so these men were all released without charge? Well that is interesting. And here I thought white privilege wasn't a thing.

On July 13, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood told parliament that police “acted with speed and skill” after becoming aware of a “credible threat to the lives of those present.” Mahmood noted that police had described the incident as “extreme right-wing terrorism related” and that “thanks to their actions, those attending the UK Ijtima in Barham were kept safe.”

“We must all stand united against hatred. The actions of a minority do not represent who we are as a country, and we should never be defined by those who plot violence against their fellow countrymen and women,” Shabana, who identifies as a practicing Muslim, stressed.

This one.

Got it. 12 arrested, 8 charged. Right wing terror group.

I think the “no evidence” bit is the ‘thing’.

I wonder if they'll ever be a thread about antisemitism without constant attemps at derialment and whataboutery.

I suspect not @runfromthecrushingtide because even when it is specifically about Jewish Communities in England or even specific planned and actual acts of terrorism in Manchester against the Manchester Jewish community
(Heaton Park synagogue, the conviction of two men who wanted to commit a mass shooting www.cps.gov.uk/north-west/news/updated-sentence-terrorists-convicted-over-plot-targeting-jewish-communities and now this attempt) somebody still has to come and make it about something else. That's ignoring the stabbings in Golders Green and the arson on Hatzollah ambulances. I've not even mentioned the lower level harassment and vandalism.

There was a sukkah in Albert Square this week for Succot. It was open for anyone to visit, cake every day and shawarma on another day. We felt more comfortable visiting this year because it's opposite Number 10 North so there's now always armed police outside and Albert Square has lots of barriers to prevent cars being driven on to it. It's not how any community should have to live and it's disproportionately the Jewish community having to take these measures. When you have to ensure your name is on the list to attend a Yom Kippur service because it's too risky to open the doors to anyone. Pretty sure that doesn't happen at Easter or Christmas or Eid or Ramadan or other faiths festivals

Correction:
12 arrested
4 released on bail pending further inquiries (unrelated to the Ijtima in light of what the Head of Counter Terrorism said)
7 released without charge
1 charged with unrelated offences

“seven men were released from custody without charge, while another man was released on bail with strict conditions pending further inquiries….. (that man was later charged) Police said the charges were not believed to be connected to the alleged threat on UK Ijtima.”
“Four other people were previously released on bail pending further inquiries.”

Yeah. And who decides the 'evidence'? The government seemed pretty convinced that a terror attack of an enormous scale had just been foiled, then all of a sudden these folks just go free with not a single bit of evidence? How does that even make sense?

Who decides the evidence? Counter Terrorism Command.

Thanks for the correction, I must have read an older article.

Fucking hell. “Who decides the evidence?”

But the government doesn’t decide who gets prosecuted, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) does. The CPS has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in court.

In this particular case, when counter-terrorism detectives actually searched the suspects' digital devices, they found no evidence of a plot.

You can’t just lock people up because a politician made a premature remark. If there is no evidence, the police legally have to let them go.