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Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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mids2019 · 05/05/2026 06:30

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

‘A test of our values’: Starmer to call for whole-society response to rising antisemitism

PM will say responsibility to stand with Jewish communities lies with ‘every one of us’ at event on Tuesday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-call-society-response-rising-antisemitism

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Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 11:05

FloralDeerPattern · 10/05/2026 10:53

If you could show that there was an actual link between the marches an the rise in antisemitism then great. Except I don't think anyone has ever done that? If these marches were full of antisemitism there would be 100s of hours of footage of it online, we know how closely they are watched and have been since day dot. Where is all of this footage? Marches in multiple places across the UK, some weekly, where is the 100s of hours of footage of this antisemitism that you are trying to stop by shutting down these marches?

2 Jewish men were stabbed so we must shut down these marches. Where is the evidence that these marches had anything at all to with these stabbings? Prove the link then I will listen.

Now actual violent marchers who stab people and throw molotov cocktails at religious centres nobody is trying to shut them down?

I've got no problem with your 'obsession' with antisemitism, be obsessed with what you like but when you try to take away people rights because of your obsession then i have a problem with it.

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How disingenuous. The rise in antisemitic hate crimes suggests the calls to "globalise the intifada" have been taken as encouragement to do just that.

Starmer thinks so and has called for police to prosecute people chanting "globalise the intifada" during demonstrations, calling it an example of "extreme racism".

FloralDeerPattern · 10/05/2026 11:07

Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 11:05

How disingenuous. The rise in antisemitic hate crimes suggests the calls to "globalise the intifada" have been taken as encouragement to do just that.

Starmer thinks so and has called for police to prosecute people chanting "globalise the intifada" during demonstrations, calling it an example of "extreme racism".

So you have no proof but want to take away peoples rights anyway. Got it.

Islandsofsand · 10/05/2026 11:10

No one is arguing that antisemitic attacks haven’t risen.

I can see both sides to this.

The war in Gaza is mostly over although they continue to suffer and Israel is moving the yellow line, what is happening in the West Bank remains a significant concern. Many people in Lebanon have suffered displacement and many died there. I can’t see that our government is condoning this though and our Jewish citizens find these marches hateful. If can understand why Starmer wants to consider the future of these marches - it will be a difficult political decision though.

However, at the height of the conflict- I could completely understand why people wanted to protest. The images coming out of Gaza were absolutely horrific.

Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 11:10

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:57

Attacking the Green Party over ridiculous claims of anti-semitism has helped Reform get over 1,000 seats at the local elections on Thursday. I sincerely hope everyone involved is extremely happy with themselves. You all reap what you gosh darn sow.

Ridiculous claims of antisemitism! There have been many examples including most recently, two Green party candidates arrested at the end of April on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred online.

Asked about the arrests on BBC Question Time, Green deputy leader Rachel Millward said that the alleged comments by the candidates were "abhorrent" and they were "going through disciplinary process".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd6pqz3dz7po

Islandsofsand · 10/05/2026 11:13

Dubious language that can be interpreted as threatening should not be used. That’s just being respectful.

ShockingBritain · 10/05/2026 11:15

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:57

Attacking the Green Party over ridiculous claims of anti-semitism has helped Reform get over 1,000 seats at the local elections on Thursday. I sincerely hope everyone involved is extremely happy with themselves. You all reap what you gosh darn sow.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/03/green-candidate-sabine-mairey-social-media-posts-canvassing-london

Green candidate seen canvassing in London after arrest over alleged antisemitism

Sabine Mairey, who was arrested on Thursday over social media posts, pictured with party activists in Clapham

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/03/green-candidate-sabine-mairey-social-media-posts-canvassing-london

tinytemper66 · 10/05/2026 11:15

I don’t feel it is anti semitic to have sympathy for the Palestinian people and now those in Lebanon. What happened on Oct 7th to the Jewish people at that festival and for all caught up in this war is awful for all involved.i have sympathy for all victims. Doesn’t make me anti-Semitic.

Hallowedturf · 10/05/2026 11:16

I suspect that Gaza is simply a stick which the left use to beat others over the head.

They don’t actually care about Gaza, in the same way the majority of the left are not anti-Semitic.

It’s a nuance lost on the left.

ShockingBritain · 10/05/2026 11:16

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 10:57

Attacking the Green Party over ridiculous claims of anti-semitism has helped Reform get over 1,000 seats at the local elections on Thursday. I sincerely hope everyone involved is extremely happy with themselves. You all reap what you gosh darn sow.

A couple more antisemitic Greens here. The party withdrew support, but they still stood.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxpq67l633o

A sunny view of the Newcastle Civic Centre with a row of daffodils filling the foreground. There is a round concrete building placed in front of a longer glass building. Trees can be seen on either side. Behind the round building is a square concrete t...

Newcastle Greens axe support for antisemitism-accused candidates

The candidates are subject to an ongoing national disciplinary process, Newcastle Greens say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxpq67l633o

Jillybox · 10/05/2026 11:16

It's such cognitive dissonance that anyone denies that these marches fuel hatred. Of course they do, they are an orgy of Jew hate - you can dress it up any way you like.

Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 11:17

Islandsofsand · 10/05/2026 11:10

No one is arguing that antisemitic attacks haven’t risen.

I can see both sides to this.

The war in Gaza is mostly over although they continue to suffer and Israel is moving the yellow line, what is happening in the West Bank remains a significant concern. Many people in Lebanon have suffered displacement and many died there. I can’t see that our government is condoning this though and our Jewish citizens find these marches hateful. If can understand why Starmer wants to consider the future of these marches - it will be a difficult political decision though.

However, at the height of the conflict- I could completely understand why people wanted to protest. The images coming out of Gaza were absolutely horrific.

What is happening in Gaza is not the fault of Jewish people in Britain and many have spoken out now about finding these marches intimidating.

Starmer tries to please everyone but the local election results show that's impossible. He needs to take a stand on this issue for the sake of British Jews feeling and being safer in our society.

And it looks like he recognises that - somewhat belatedly in my opinion. I expect the Labour party stance will be the same as his for whoever replaces him if they get a new leader.

Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 11:19

tinytemper66 · 10/05/2026 11:15

I don’t feel it is anti semitic to have sympathy for the Palestinian people and now those in Lebanon. What happened on Oct 7th to the Jewish people at that festival and for all caught up in this war is awful for all involved.i have sympathy for all victims. Doesn’t make me anti-Semitic.

No it doesn't make you antisemitic to have sympathy for Palestinian people along with all other victims. No one is suggesting it does.

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:20

So? I could give you thousands of Reform and Conservative candidates that have said horrific and hateful things. A few green party alleged representatives making ill advised comments is hardly the same at all, just willfull whataboutery. You're all being played, why can't you see that?

islingtontrial · 10/05/2026 11:23

I have friends who, a few years ago, found their child telling anti-semitic 'jokes', drawing swastikas etc. When they spoke to the young person about it, they were told that everyone at school was doing and saying the same things. That young person wasn't particularly political or going on any marches. They were being bombarded with anti-semitism on social media. The algorithms were just increasing the amount of disgusting messages they were getting. Thankfully, the parents were able to support the child to understand that what they were doing was wrong.

I would like to know how many of the people who committed the hateful crimes against jewish people had actually been on marches or if they were being brainwashed by social media.

Seymour5 · 10/05/2026 11:45

There are reasons why people may be concerned about the growth of Islam in the UK. Concen about extremists, about grooming gangs. Nothing equivalent has been heard about the Jewish community and yet they are being attacked.

SunnyAfternoonToday · 10/05/2026 12:20

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:20

So? I could give you thousands of Reform and Conservative candidates that have said horrific and hateful things. A few green party alleged representatives making ill advised comments is hardly the same at all, just willfull whataboutery. You're all being played, why can't you see that?

No one is 'being played'. The point being made is that the Greens do not vet their candidates sufficiently. Not saying that all political parties do but it is very evident with the Greens that some of their candidates are openly anti semitic. They don't even try to hide it.

Grghf · 10/05/2026 12:39

FloralDeerPattern · 10/05/2026 10:53

If you could show that there was an actual link between the marches an the rise in antisemitism then great. Except I don't think anyone has ever done that? If these marches were full of antisemitism there would be 100s of hours of footage of it online, we know how closely they are watched and have been since day dot. Where is all of this footage? Marches in multiple places across the UK, some weekly, where is the 100s of hours of footage of this antisemitism that you are trying to stop by shutting down these marches?

2 Jewish men were stabbed so we must shut down these marches. Where is the evidence that these marches had anything at all to with these stabbings? Prove the link then I will listen.

Now actual violent marchers who stab people and throw molotov cocktails at religious centres nobody is trying to shut them down?

I've got no problem with your 'obsession' with antisemitism, be obsessed with what you like but when you try to take away people rights because of your obsession then i have a problem with it.

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If you could show that there was an actual link between the marches an the rise in antisemitism then great

I guess its similar to how people might riot against girls being raped, cities across Europe being bombed and random people in the street being stabbed - theres nothing islamophobic about it

Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 12:41

InstantlyBella · 10/05/2026 11:20

So? I could give you thousands of Reform and Conservative candidates that have said horrific and hateful things. A few green party alleged representatives making ill advised comments is hardly the same at all, just willfull whataboutery. You're all being played, why can't you see that?

No one is being played.

I am aware that there are racist/antisemitic candidates within both Reform and the Green party because in both parties, individuals have openly expressed it. I don't feel that saying So? is an appropriate response when discussing racism.

Conservative candidates probably know they would be suspended these days for racist/antisemitic comments and the same with Labour. They had problems in the past but I hope racists within these parties have largely been stamped out now, as both Reform and the Greens need to do too.

noblegiraffe · 10/05/2026 12:54

If you could show that there was an actual link between the marches a the rise in antisemitism then great. Except I don't think anyone has ever done that?

You think that an increase in people on the streets screaming ‘globalise the intifada’ and an increase in people globalising the intifada are entirely random coincidences?

Or the increase in antisemitic messaging on social media and the increase in antisemitic messaging on the streets are entirely disconnected?

The people who are attacking Jews are working in a vacuum completely unaware of the people who call for attacks on Jews. Of course.

noblegiraffe · 10/05/2026 13:01

If these marches were full of antisemitism there would be 100s of hours of footage of it online, we know how closely they are watched and have been since day dot. Where is all of this footage?

There’s loads of it. People chanting globalise the intifada, something about the solution being intifada revolution, resistance is justified when you’re occupied, obviously from the river to the sea, cheering support for the Houthis whose slogan is ‘a curse upon Jews’, loads of stuff about Zionists being the most evil people ever.

But people will argue that it’s not antisemitic. Because those people are either antisemitic themselves, or are so immersed in casual antisemitic discourse that they don’t recognise it as abnormal, or they’re thick and haven’t actually looked into what is being said, or they’re completely gullible.

KatiePricesKnickers · 10/05/2026 14:22

Some people will tie themselves in knots to deflect from the rise in antisemitism.

Can you imagine the outrage if Tommy Robison and his ilk had been marching every weekend for 2 years with anti-Islam chanting?

Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 14:35

KatiePricesKnickers · 10/05/2026 14:22

Some people will tie themselves in knots to deflect from the rise in antisemitism.

Can you imagine the outrage if Tommy Robison and his ilk had been marching every weekend for 2 years with anti-Islam chanting?

People would quite rightly call that out as completely unacceptable. Especially if Muslim people were saying they felt threatened by it and there had been a rise in hate crimes in the UK against the Muslim population over the same two years.

tinytemper66 · 10/05/2026 14:50

Twiglets1 · 10/05/2026 11:19

No it doesn't make you antisemitic to have sympathy for Palestinian people along with all other victims. No one is suggesting it does.

I have read on SM that it is.