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Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 17:59

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 17:46

The picture I intended to post didn't appear - not sure why. I posted it subsequently.

Maybe you're new to MN ...(welcome) ... photos often take a while to appear.

MN mods have to vet them all because there was a spate of dodgy photos recently.

EasternStandard · 04/04/2026 18:06

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 16:15

No there hasn't been all that much outrage at all considering - the coverage was mostly people asking why so few famous sports journalists and athletes had anything to say about his execution. There's been no campaign to have Iran banned from international sports comparable to the fuss about Israel, despite Iran also having kidnapped the families of those women footballers in Australia to force them to withdraw their requests for asylum - where are those women now? Probably either dead or in prison awaiting execution.

And as for last week: Saleh Mohammadi was hanged in mid March. But never mind, there have been many others since - three the same time as him, and an 18 year old musician Amirhossein Hatami only two days ago - again, very little talk about that. Maybe you'd missed that?

Oh as well as Kouroush Keyvani, a dual Swedish-Iranian national, and others as well that we've barely heard of.

But people who shrug their shoulders at all those executions, and even cheer the downing of an American plane by Iran because they want Iran to beat the US, are outraged at a bill that hasn't yet been used even once.

And I see you mention Afghanistan: how much protest was there when Ireland played Afghanistan at cricket last year? Seems most people don't care that much about Afghan women. Cricket is more important clearly.

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It is sad that so little is said about the executions happening rn in Iran, and the torture to get false confessions that lead to them.

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yet iran uses the same methods and thats different ?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 04/04/2026 18:28

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Oh there are hypocrites alright, just not what you are talking about.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 04/04/2026 18:56

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 14:50

Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life:

I’m not sure of the point of this post.

If I post a photo of Israeli soldiers raping a Palestinian prisoner (or of any other atrocity committed by an Israeli) will that mean you’ll support the Palestinians then?

Or am I missing your point?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2xrz71zm3o

File photo showing the entrance to Sde Teiman military base in southern Israel

Israel drops charges against soldiers accused of abusing Gaza detainee

The Israeli military's top lawyer cites "exceptional circumstances" for dropping the case involving a Palestinian man held at Sde Teiman military prison.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2xrz71zm3o

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FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 19:01

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 16:46

So you missed FIFA announcing a special council meeting in 2024 to consider suspending the Israel Football Association from international competitions? Or the various Arab sports associations calling for Israel to be banned from the 2024 Summer Olympics, even though Belarus and Russia were allowed to be there? And 200 Irish athletes also demanded that Israel be excluded. Not to mention Ireland boycotting the Eurovision because Israel was allowed to take part.

Or to name a few artists, there's Donal Lunny, Elvis Costello or Massive Attack who've all expressed their fury at Israel.
Plus the current President, and the former one. Don't forget that Michael D sent a letter of congratulations to Iranian president Peshezkian on his election (and then accused Israel of having made the letter public when in fact it was Iran!) Not a word in that letter about the regime murdering people - he didn't seem to mind too much.

So maybe it's just your general lack of information, if you really haven't come across any of this.

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I think that the way people actually saw the horror in Gaza has influenced the way they feel. The visceral revulsion they feel towards the IDF and the Israeli government. Day after day after day people watched children screaming with various parts of their bodies blown off, they saw rows and rows and rows of dead children, beheaded babies, children screaming for their dead parents, entire families killed in their beds, people carrying the remains of their loved ones in plastic bags, people having limbs cut off with no anaesthetic because Israel decided they couldn't have any, peoole squashed by tanks and on and on it went day after day after, row after row after row of dead people.

Like you said about your photo Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life that's exactly how millions of people feel about Israel after seeing the horror that they created. Pure revulsion at the regime that did that to people for 18months and then decided to starve them on top.

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 19:14

Twiglets1 · 04/04/2026 17:59

Maybe you're new to MN ...(welcome) ... photos often take a while to appear.

MN mods have to vet them all because there was a spate of dodgy photos recently.

Thanks Twiglets
good point

but
it still has nothing to do with the previous discussion and my stats on the disparity of deaths and injuries
and the fact that the pp seemed to think Israelis leaving Palestine made a difference

That argument is irrelevant when one actually looks at the very clear point made by the figures
The attachment also doesn’t negate those figures

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 19:18

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 19:01

I think that the way people actually saw the horror in Gaza has influenced the way they feel. The visceral revulsion they feel towards the IDF and the Israeli government. Day after day after day people watched children screaming with various parts of their bodies blown off, they saw rows and rows and rows of dead children, beheaded babies, children screaming for their dead parents, entire families killed in their beds, people carrying the remains of their loved ones in plastic bags, people having limbs cut off with no anaesthetic because Israel decided they couldn't have any, peoole squashed by tanks and on and on it went day after day after, row after row after row of dead people.

Like you said about your photo Anyone who can look at the this picture and side with the perpetrators, or think "Yeah, I can see how you would do that to someone" is not someone I would want to meet in real life that's exactly how millions of people feel about Israel after seeing the horror that they created. Pure revulsion at the regime that did that to people for 18months and then decided to starve them on top.

Sadly there will always be casualties in a war zone, blame hamas for putting everyone in harms way.

Did you really see people carrying body parts in carrier bags? I wouldn't believe everything hamas pedals tbh. One of their main pr men was apparently killed about 7 times, until he finally actually was. By hamas.

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 19:19

Emilesgran · 04/04/2026 16:15

No there hasn't been all that much outrage at all considering - the coverage was mostly people asking why so few famous sports journalists and athletes had anything to say about his execution. There's been no campaign to have Iran banned from international sports comparable to the fuss about Israel, despite Iran also having kidnapped the families of those women footballers in Australia to force them to withdraw their requests for asylum - where are those women now? Probably either dead or in prison awaiting execution.

And as for last week: Saleh Mohammadi was hanged in mid March. But never mind, there have been many others since - three the same time as him, and an 18 year old musician Amirhossein Hatami only two days ago - again, very little talk about that. Maybe you'd missed that?

Oh as well as Kouroush Keyvani, a dual Swedish-Iranian national, and others as well that we've barely heard of.

But people who shrug their shoulders at all those executions, and even cheer the downing of an American plane by Iran because they want Iran to beat the US, are outraged at a bill that hasn't yet been used even once.

And I see you mention Afghanistan: how much protest was there when Ireland played Afghanistan at cricket last year? Seems most people don't care that much about Afghan women. Cricket is more important clearly.

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Exactly.

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 19:32

Gloriia · 04/04/2026 19:18

Sadly there will always be casualties in a war zone, blame hamas for putting everyone in harms way.

Did you really see people carrying body parts in carrier bags? I wouldn't believe everything hamas pedals tbh. One of their main pr men was apparently killed about 7 times, until he finally actually was. By hamas.

People know what they saw with their own eyes. Israeli bombs leaving people with injuries that the worst imagination couldn't come up with. You can blame Hamas all you like but people know what they saw. They saw IDF soldiers dancing in the underwear of the women that they killed, forcing Drs to abandon babies in their incubators, they saw the IDF shooting people as they tried to rescue their loved ones, dropping bombs on rescue workers in double tap strikes, killing children queuing up for water. People saw all of that and no 'blame Hamas' can change what people saw. That coupled with the most repulsive rhetoric from members of the Israeli government, IDF and some members of the Israeli public. It has all been stomach churningly awful to watch and to hear. Nothing can erase that, people know what they have seen from Israel and it has been repulsive.

Should that mean that people care more about Palestinians than the people they haven't seen starved and bombed and tortured, probably not but it's human nature to care about people when you see them being treated worse than you could ever have imagined day after day, month after month.

NattyPlayer · 04/04/2026 20:24

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 19:32

People know what they saw with their own eyes. Israeli bombs leaving people with injuries that the worst imagination couldn't come up with. You can blame Hamas all you like but people know what they saw. They saw IDF soldiers dancing in the underwear of the women that they killed, forcing Drs to abandon babies in their incubators, they saw the IDF shooting people as they tried to rescue their loved ones, dropping bombs on rescue workers in double tap strikes, killing children queuing up for water. People saw all of that and no 'blame Hamas' can change what people saw. That coupled with the most repulsive rhetoric from members of the Israeli government, IDF and some members of the Israeli public. It has all been stomach churningly awful to watch and to hear. Nothing can erase that, people know what they have seen from Israel and it has been repulsive.

Should that mean that people care more about Palestinians than the people they haven't seen starved and bombed and tortured, probably not but it's human nature to care about people when you see them being treated worse than you could ever have imagined day after day, month after month.

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I think this is a really good point. People see Israel as a special case because of what they saw online. It's important to question why you are not seeing (or being shown) similar footage of events in Yemen, Afghanistan etc. Because sources are so unreliable, it's hard to know what did really happen and what didn't, but visceral and horrific imagery has disproportionately been spread about this conflict compared to others. It's interesting to consider why.

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 20:35

NattyPlayer · 04/04/2026 20:24

I think this is a really good point. People see Israel as a special case because of what they saw online. It's important to question why you are not seeing (or being shown) similar footage of events in Yemen, Afghanistan etc. Because sources are so unreliable, it's hard to know what did really happen and what didn't, but visceral and horrific imagery has disproportionately been spread about this conflict compared to others. It's interesting to consider why.

We saw and heard a lot on mainstream news aswell before they killed over 220 journalists and banned the rest.

Some of us don’t watch insta and stuff. Some of us read and see the news.

DomPom47 · 04/04/2026 20:40

Bless the peace loving only democracy in the Middle East.

EasternStandard · 04/04/2026 20:41

NattyPlayer · 04/04/2026 20:24

I think this is a really good point. People see Israel as a special case because of what they saw online. It's important to question why you are not seeing (or being shown) similar footage of events in Yemen, Afghanistan etc. Because sources are so unreliable, it's hard to know what did really happen and what didn't, but visceral and horrific imagery has disproportionately been spread about this conflict compared to others. It's interesting to consider why.

For Iran they have internet black out and information suppression, likely involving death or violence if anything is shared.

People can’t see it so a lot isn’t believed or dismissed.

Possibly for other countries too.

Dreamymeme · 05/04/2026 15:28

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 04/04/2026 17:34

Funny you should say that, was only thinking that the other day.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but this is a point that baffles me. Both here and on X.

Forget the fact that it's not actually a discriminatory law, as it would apply to Jews as well as to Americans and Spaniards, say, who'd commit the specific crime. Putting that to a side, it only applies to terrorists who murder others in order to negate the existence of the State of Israel.

It would seem to me it's quite easy not to fall foul of the law.

CanAnybodyFindMe · 05/04/2026 17:01

Dreamymeme · 05/04/2026 15:28

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but this is a point that baffles me. Both here and on X.

Forget the fact that it's not actually a discriminatory law, as it would apply to Jews as well as to Americans and Spaniards, say, who'd commit the specific crime. Putting that to a side, it only applies to terrorists who murder others in order to negate the existence of the State of Israel.

It would seem to me it's quite easy not to fall foul of the law.

Absolutely, I don’t know why people are so anti the death penalty. I mean, surely people just need to not commit murder/whatever crime has the death penalty in their country. What’s all the fuss about?

You could read the thread if you want your discrimination question answered.

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Twiglets1 · 05/04/2026 17:07

It’s true the death penalty in this case would be for terrorist murderers so in one sense … no shits given.

With the death sentence, the concern is always about if mistakes are made, however.

Marysnail · 05/04/2026 17:52

Twiglets1 · 05/04/2026 17:07

It’s true the death penalty in this case would be for terrorist murderers so in one sense … no shits given.

With the death sentence, the concern is always about if mistakes are made, however.

excatly, people would rather keep terrorists alive. i weep for humanity

Emilesgran · 05/04/2026 17:56

Stirabout · 04/04/2026 20:35

We saw and heard a lot on mainstream news aswell before they killed over 220 journalists and banned the rest.

Some of us don’t watch insta and stuff. Some of us read and see the news.

Those "journalists" were at the very least completely under the thumb of Hamas, and many were more or less closely associated with them.

I mean, nobody actually believes that anyone in Gaza was taken on a journalism course based purely on their writing skills, do they?

And for anyone doing such a course, I don't expect that objective reporting was a big part of the lessons.

AP long ago admitted that their reports from Gaza were written/edited according to what Hamas allowed them to say. It's obvious that the rest are going to be the same. Hamas are not interested in letting journalists report the truth.

Emilesgran · 05/04/2026 17:59

FloralDeerPattern · 04/04/2026 19:32

People know what they saw with their own eyes. Israeli bombs leaving people with injuries that the worst imagination couldn't come up with. You can blame Hamas all you like but people know what they saw. They saw IDF soldiers dancing in the underwear of the women that they killed, forcing Drs to abandon babies in their incubators, they saw the IDF shooting people as they tried to rescue their loved ones, dropping bombs on rescue workers in double tap strikes, killing children queuing up for water. People saw all of that and no 'blame Hamas' can change what people saw. That coupled with the most repulsive rhetoric from members of the Israeli government, IDF and some members of the Israeli public. It has all been stomach churningly awful to watch and to hear. Nothing can erase that, people know what they have seen from Israel and it has been repulsive.

Should that mean that people care more about Palestinians than the people they haven't seen starved and bombed and tortured, probably not but it's human nature to care about people when you see them being treated worse than you could ever have imagined day after day, month after month.

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But they didn't see it with their own eyes - much of it has been fabricated by Hamas or their sympathisers. Remember the NYT claims about whildren being shot in the head or chest by IDF soldiers? A medical impossibility, it turns out:
www.jurist.org/commentary/2024/10/the-weaponization-of-medical-misinformation-and-the-war-in-gaza/

ObsessiveGoogler · 05/04/2026 20:24

Twiglets1 · 05/04/2026 17:07

It’s true the death penalty in this case would be for terrorist murderers so in one sense … no shits given.

With the death sentence, the concern is always about if mistakes are made, however.

I don’t have sympathy for terrorists. But I would be extremely concerned about how safe any conviction is. And in thr meantime settlers kill Palestinians with complete impunity - the divide in how the two groups are reseated just gets wider and wider.

Stirabout · 05/04/2026 20:41

Emilesgran · 05/04/2026 17:59

But they didn't see it with their own eyes - much of it has been fabricated by Hamas or their sympathisers. Remember the NYT claims about whildren being shot in the head or chest by IDF soldiers? A medical impossibility, it turns out:
www.jurist.org/commentary/2024/10/the-weaponization-of-medical-misinformation-and-the-war-in-gaza/

The IDF were doing it before the recent war
Why would they stop during it

Palestinian shot in back of head puts Israel's use of force under scrutiny
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Ameed, a 33-year-old electrician, has been in intensive care for almost two weeks after being shot by Israeli soldiers

ByTom Bateman
BBC Middle East correspondent

The sound of a single gunshot echoes around the street as a man in a white t-shirt runs away from where an Israeli military jeep has been sighted.

In that instant, blood is seen spraying above him and he collapses forwards.

Ameed al-Jaghoub, unarmed and apparently rushing to help a wounded man, had been shot in the back of the head during an Israeli raid in the occupied West Bank village of Beita.

Nearly a fortnight on, he remains critically ill in intensive care.
Mobile phone footage of the moment the 33-year-old was hit is among the clearest documentation in recent years of the use of lethal force by Israeli troops against an unarmed Palestinian.

His case is the latest to be highlighted by human rights groups, who say that casualty rates from what they describe as "unjustified" use of force are at their highest in two decades.

It comes with the West Bank engulfed in a crisis of violence involving a rising number of deadly attacks by Palestinians against Israelis, growing mob violence by Israeli settlers, and waves of lethal Israeli military raids into Palestinian cities.

Image caption,
The group Human Rights Watch has called for an international response to Israel's use of lethal force in the West Bank

Amid the clatter and grime of roadside car workshops, while children grapple to race an adult bike downhill, the street in Beita is still stained with blood. The village is depressingly familiar with the West Bank's epidemic of suffering.
Doctors say Mr Jaghoub may not survive.

His family is praying for a "miracle" but knows if he lives, he will be severely brain damaged. "This guy was hit to be killed," intensive care specialist Dr Sufwan Fayyad told the BBC.

Troops raided Beita on 21 August to detain a resident. According to locals, the forces believed the man's family could know clues as to the whereabouts of a gunman who days before had killed two Israelis - a father and son - at a carwash in the nearby town of Hawara.

That attack sparked a wave of military detentions and intelligence gathering raids as troops searched for the suspect, who remains at large.

Residents threw stones and broken masonry at armoured troop carriers as they entered. Witnesses told the BBC that Israeli paramilitary border police officers exited a jeep that had stopped at the top of the street where Mr Jaghoub had joined a crowd of young men and teenagers.

As he ran away from the area where the troops were stationed, one shot him in the back of the head, said the witnesses.
In the footage, Mr Jaghoub is seen in the seconds before he is struck, heading towards a group lifting a wounded man onto a stretcher.
Earlier, a member of the police special forces had reportedly approached another resident, Mahmoud Elian, who says the officer told him to "go and tell these children to get away from here because I'm here to kill". He said the officer, who spoke to him in Hebrew, repeated the phrase twice.

Israel's Border Police did not respond to questions from the BBC about the claim.

Asked about Mr Jaghoub's case, the force did not answer questions about specifically why he was shot. In a statement, it said its troops faced a "violent riot" in Beita "that endangered the lives of the security forces present".

It said: "As the riot increased, [so] did the level of response by the security forces. Additionally, the forces responded with .22 ammunition and live fire. Hits were identified."

Image caption,
Graphic footage of the shooting has circulated widely on social media
At the family home, Mr Jaghoub's toddler son Yanal is held by his grandfather. The family worries mostly for the children. Mr Jaghoub is an electrician, who often crossed the military checkpoints into Israel, where the pay can be up to five times that in the West Bank.
"This is a cruel and a cowardly act," Mr Jaghoub's father Ghaleb says. "Because he was on his way to do a humanitarian act. He was not carrying a stone or a weapon or anything."
"His children are young and do not realise what is happening, but they ask about him all the time," he tells the BBC.

His family says they have received calls from human rights groups based in Israel, as well as the Israeli media after footage of the shooting that has been circulated widely on social media. But they doubt it will make any difference.
Despite reviews into similar incidents being announced by Israeli forces, the overwhelming majority of cases do not lead to prosecutions or meaningful accountability.

In Mr Jaghoub's case, the US State Department, which has become unusually outspoken over some Israeli actions in the West Bank, particularly in light of growing settler violence, said it was "alarmed" by the report of "an Israeli shooting an unarmed Palestinian civilian from behind as the latter was walking away from an Israeli position". It called for a thorough investigation and "full accountability".

Mr Jaghoub's brother Said, who has been making daily trips to his bedside, says: "The world will do nothing for us. We always appeal to the international community, but unfortunately the Israeli attacks are increasing."

Image caption,

The West Bank has seen an escalation of violence with deadly attacks by Palestinians against Israelis, Israeli military raids and violence by Israeli settlers
Beita found itself at the heart of the West Bank's escalating violence in May 2021, when an Israeli settler group established the nearby outpost of Evyatar, cutting off the Palestinian village from part of its lands.

The settlers built the outpost in apparent retribution for the murder of Yehuda Guetta, a 19-year-old yeshiva student, who was shot dead by a Palestinian-American who came from a town 20km (12 miles) away from Beita.

All settlements are illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this. But outposts like Evyatar, which often involve taking privately-owned Palestinian land, are also illegal under Israeli law.

In the year after Evyatar's establishment, Israeli forces killed nine Palestinians, eight of them from Beita, during weekly protests against the outpost, according to the Israel-based human rights group B'Tselem.

The village has already "paid a massive price" for the growth of illegal settlement outposts in the Nablus region, says Sarit Michaeli, international advocacy officer at the organisation.

Likening it to the demonstrations around Beita, she puts Mr Jaghoub's shooting down to the use of "open fire regulations" by Israeli forces.
"It's important to stress this is not an isolated incident… We're talking about a broad policy that is the use of lethal force," she says.
"The fact that some people were throwing stones [and] the claim that soldiers or border police officers were involved in some sort of clash with Palestinians doesn't simply allow them the authority to shoot an unarmed person in the head," she said.

Under international law, the use of firearms by security forces against civilians is defined as a measure of last resort and can only take place to stop an "imminent threat of death or serious injury".

Israel routinely rejects the accusations by rights groups, saying its forces operate to protect Israeli civilians and lethal force is necessary against what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called a current "terror wave" in the West Bank.

At least 220 Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, and 33 Israelis have been killed since the start of this year.

The BBC
2nd September 2023

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks
Martymcfly24 · 05/04/2026 20:44

ObsessiveGoogler · 05/04/2026 20:24

I don’t have sympathy for terrorists. But I would be extremely concerned about how safe any conviction is. And in thr meantime settlers kill Palestinians with complete impunity - the divide in how the two groups are reseated just gets wider and wider.

Agree.
The politician who drafted the bill has sympathy for some terrorists ironically. Limor Son Har Melech spoke in defence of an Israeli terrorist who torched a house killing 3 including a 12 month old baby.