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Conflict in the Middle East

US and Israel strike Iran. (title edited by MNHQ at request of the OP)

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Twiglets1 · 28/02/2026 06:46

Israel attacked Iran early on Saturday morning, saying it had “launched a pre-emptive strike against Iran to remove threats to the state of Israel,” according to a military spokesman.

Israel closed its airspace and declared a state of emergency, in anticipation of
Iranian drone and missile strikes in response.

Explosions were heard in Tehran on Saturday, Iranian media reported.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/28/israel-launches-attack-on-iran-as-explosions-heard-in-tehran

Israel launches attack on Iran as explosions heard in Tehran

Blasts heard in Tehran as Israel declares state of emergency in anticipation of retaliatory missile strikes

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/28/israel-launches-attack-on-iran-as-explosions-heard-in-tehran

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RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 16:24

notimagain · 05/03/2026 15:18

One practical problem here is given Iran's size most countries armed forces literally won't have the reach or ordnance needed to clobber targets well away from places where they are based like the Gulf airfields..

Here or elsewhere yesterday there was some discusson about the use or not of B-52s...if you want a mobile weapons dispenser able to stay on station for hours and then be able to be called up to hit selected targets such as tunnel entrances with hefty guided ordnance then the 52 is an ideal candidate....

Photo attached. Iran superimposed over Europe.

I don't know about these missile cities a PP talks about, but Iran is a massive country, with lots of mountains too. As you say, fighter jet range will be an issue.

I doubt very much that the Regime has stored all its arms in convenient bunches that are easily picked out.

What terrifies me is that apparently the US is using AI to find targets. Is that building an arms depot, a factory, warehouse or a school.

And given that Iran has been preparing for this for 50 years, and also that it is nearly a closed country, I doubt there is full data from "spies" on locations etc.

Iran is about 7 times bigger than the UK. Does someone in Southampton know what is in a warehouse in Dingwall ?

US and Israel strike Iran. (title edited by MNHQ at request of the OP)
RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 16:44

And now we get this. From Sky:

"Trump says he must be involved in picking Iran's next leader

Donald Trump said he must be involved in picking Iran's supreme leader after the incumbent, Ali Khamenei, was killed by US-Israeli strikes.

Statements by Iranian officials yesterday suggested they were "close" to announcing Khamenei's successor, with his son, Mojtaba, considered among the frontrunners.

Responding to the reports, Trump told US outlet Axios:

"They are wasting their time. Khamenei's son is a lightweight. I have to be involved in the appointment, like with Delcy [Rodriguez] in Venezuela."

He was referencing the US capture of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, who was replaced by Rodriguez, his vice president.

Trump praised the cooperation with Rodriguez yesterday, saying Venezuelan "oil is beginning to flow" to the US.

Trump also told Axios he refuses to accept a new Iranian leader who would continue Khamenei's policies, which he said would force the US back to war "in five years."

"Khamenei's son is unacceptable to me. We want someone that will bring harmony and peace to Iran," Trump said."

So those calls for the people to rise up and take over, all forgotten. It's not about regime change. And note how he mentions VZ oil.

"Khamenei's son is a lightweight."

WTF does that mean ?

RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 16:53

Re my post above, forgot to mention this bit.

"Trump also told Axios he refuses to accept a new Iranian leader who would continue Khamenei's policies, which he said would force the US back to war "in five years."

So now its not about "winning" at all.

Death and destruction for what ?

EasternStandard · 05/03/2026 17:18

RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 13:34

I hope the Iranian people get freedom from their authoritarian government.

Is there a way you can see that happening?

I mean what should be done in your view to get there

RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 17:30

EasternStandard · 05/03/2026 17:18

Is there a way you can see that happening?

I mean what should be done in your view to get there

Edited

I think authoritarianism in general needs an example to transition to. I have written about my thoughts on another thread. I will try to find tomorrow and cut and paste (it's late where I am).

As we have seen with the news in the last half hour, and as I have posted above, I think Trump is the last person anyone should let near it.

Wizeman · 05/03/2026 17:34

Im not sure people realise how easily this could spiral into ww3.

Currently the hormuz is on complete hold. 20% of the world's oil comes out of this straight. Where does it primarily go? Asia; India, Pakistan, South Korea, China, Japan. India depends on 60% of its Oil from hormuz, China 40%, Japan 75%. If the straight of hormuz remains stagnant Japans economy would collapse within 9 months. The Iranians have closed the straight of hormuz. The entire global economy will suffer greatly. Ok so oil goes out of hormuz.

What comes back in? Food!!! OK so people dont appreciate the GCC- gulf cooperation Council, this includes The UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar. This is the foundation of the u.s petrol dollar, the idea of the petrol dollar is this. u.s dollar is worth nothing, its only valuable if people want it, "if you want oil from us you have to pay us in u.s dollars" that is the basis of the value of the u.s dollar. So if the GCC collapses the u.s economy will also collapse.

If you close the straight of hormuz there is no food going to the GCC, they will starve. 80% of GCC food comes through Hormuz. 80%!!! Hormuz is key. It is the neck of the global economy and iran is strangling it.

Iran has lots of mountains, meaning military installations are hard to hit and hard to find. They can hide missiles and drones. Irans drones cost 20k, they have 80 thousand of them. To shoot them down it will cost millions and the u.s may only have 4 thousand missiles that can shoot them down, atleast in the middle east. Anyone who can see the war of attrition here can see that iran will win. What's irans targets? Military targets, oil and energy, and finally water. The GCC has little access to water, so the only way it can produce water is through water plants. They take salt water and turn it into fresh water. 60% of water in the GCC comes from water plants. Its not even the summer yet. Is it hard to blow these plants up with a drone? No. If they are defended then yes, but as I said iran has 20× more drones that are 50× cheaper than the missiles shooting them down. The GCC is a flat desert and is exposed to attack. Iran is a mountain fortress. Iran can destroy the GCC which will destroy the u.s economy. Oh ye? The u.s took Venezuela. But what about everyone else?

The question is how far does the u.s, GCC and iran want to take this? The only way you can defeat iran is using ground troops. Will the u.s send its army? Im not sure yet. If your losing a war which is what could happen to the u.s, Israel and the gcc (forgot to mention israel) would you choose to use nuclear weapons to save your own troops? Again im unsure. Another question is who else will get involved? considering if iran isn't dealt with if things continue to escalate they will still maintain a strangle hold on the economy.

This situation could be devastating in France, germany and even Britain. These nations could very well enter the war. If that happens it is possible russia and China could enter the war on the side of iran. Maybe by China going into Taiwan as they said they would in 2027, this could tie down the entire u.s fleet out in the Pacific. Maybe Russia could destroy the north sea oil rigs? Russia has the oil to give to China and iran.

This could spiral out of control

MissConductUS · 05/03/2026 17:35

RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 12:47

Except there is the Caspian sea, and the Russian factories that are churning out these cheap drones by the thousands. Are the US going to start bombing the Russian Caspian Navy ? Take out all the roads from the north of Iran to the South ? Take out every bit of Tarmac long enough to launch a drone from.

The ammo numbers issue is very real.

Of course it’s a real issue. I never said otherwise. Trump was briefed on the issue by the joint chiefs of staff before launching the campaign.

There are always a myriad of risks in an operation like this. Military planners identify them, assess them and develop strategies to mitigate them. Attacking the known storage facilities for the missiles and drones is an obvious mitigation and it seems to be working.

I think that the likelihood of Vladimir Putin becoming Father Christmas and donating hundreds of drones and missiles to the Iranians is…rather remote. He’s four years into the three day SMO and he needs them for that. And as soon as they arrived in Iranian ports they’d be legitimate targets and blown up on the docks. There’s simply no benefit to Putin to stick his hand in this particular wood chipper. He’s done nothing to support the Iranians so far for all of the above reasons.

RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 17:40

MissConductUS · 05/03/2026 17:35

Of course it’s a real issue. I never said otherwise. Trump was briefed on the issue by the joint chiefs of staff before launching the campaign.

There are always a myriad of risks in an operation like this. Military planners identify them, assess them and develop strategies to mitigate them. Attacking the known storage facilities for the missiles and drones is an obvious mitigation and it seems to be working.

I think that the likelihood of Vladimir Putin becoming Father Christmas and donating hundreds of drones and missiles to the Iranians is…rather remote. He’s four years into the three day SMO and he needs them for that. And as soon as they arrived in Iranian ports they’d be legitimate targets and blown up on the docks. There’s simply no benefit to Putin to stick his hand in this particular wood chipper. He’s done nothing to support the Iranians so far for all of the above reasons.

Have you not seen the latest ? All a bit moot now maybe. The Regime change Trump was is really HIM deciding. And oil it appears.

The VZ model.

Wizeman · 05/03/2026 17:42

MissConductUS · 05/03/2026 17:35

Of course it’s a real issue. I never said otherwise. Trump was briefed on the issue by the joint chiefs of staff before launching the campaign.

There are always a myriad of risks in an operation like this. Military planners identify them, assess them and develop strategies to mitigate them. Attacking the known storage facilities for the missiles and drones is an obvious mitigation and it seems to be working.

I think that the likelihood of Vladimir Putin becoming Father Christmas and donating hundreds of drones and missiles to the Iranians is…rather remote. He’s four years into the three day SMO and he needs them for that. And as soon as they arrived in Iranian ports they’d be legitimate targets and blown up on the docks. There’s simply no benefit to Putin to stick his hand in this particular wood chipper. He’s done nothing to support the Iranians so far for all of the above reasons.

Iran has 80k drones that cost 20k each. I doubt the u.s and its allies has more than 10k missiles in the region to shoot them down, each missile costs 1 million+. Iran could win this war.

EasternStandard · 05/03/2026 17:44

RedTagAlan · 05/03/2026 17:30

I think authoritarianism in general needs an example to transition to. I have written about my thoughts on another thread. I will try to find tomorrow and cut and paste (it's late where I am).

As we have seen with the news in the last half hour, and as I have posted above, I think Trump is the last person anyone should let near it.

Is there anyone else trying?

EasternStandard · 05/03/2026 18:00

Wizeman · 05/03/2026 17:42

Iran has 80k drones that cost 20k each. I doubt the u.s and its allies has more than 10k missiles in the region to shoot them down, each missile costs 1 million+. Iran could win this war.

Wouldn’t that be why you’d hit the sites where they’re held. Hence needing to take the skies.

Wizeman · 05/03/2026 18:04

EasternStandard · 05/03/2026 18:00

Wouldn’t that be why you’d hit the sites where they’re held. Hence needing to take the skies.

  1. They dont know where all the sites are 2. The drones are always on site, they may be mobile 3. They might be in plane sight 4. There are 80k of these drones plus other assets like missiles etc
MissConductUS · 05/03/2026 18:08

Wizeman · 05/03/2026 17:42

Iran has 80k drones that cost 20k each. I doubt the u.s and its allies has more than 10k missiles in the region to shoot them down, each missile costs 1 million+. Iran could win this war.

No one knows how many drones Iran has at this point, and only estimates of how many they had at the start of the conflict.

There are many things that could influence the outcome of the conflict, the supply of munitions being just one of them.

GrateWay · 05/03/2026 18:11

Wizeman · 05/03/2026 17:34

Im not sure people realise how easily this could spiral into ww3.

Currently the hormuz is on complete hold. 20% of the world's oil comes out of this straight. Where does it primarily go? Asia; India, Pakistan, South Korea, China, Japan. India depends on 60% of its Oil from hormuz, China 40%, Japan 75%. If the straight of hormuz remains stagnant Japans economy would collapse within 9 months. The Iranians have closed the straight of hormuz. The entire global economy will suffer greatly. Ok so oil goes out of hormuz.

What comes back in? Food!!! OK so people dont appreciate the GCC- gulf cooperation Council, this includes The UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar. This is the foundation of the u.s petrol dollar, the idea of the petrol dollar is this. u.s dollar is worth nothing, its only valuable if people want it, "if you want oil from us you have to pay us in u.s dollars" that is the basis of the value of the u.s dollar. So if the GCC collapses the u.s economy will also collapse.

If you close the straight of hormuz there is no food going to the GCC, they will starve. 80% of GCC food comes through Hormuz. 80%!!! Hormuz is key. It is the neck of the global economy and iran is strangling it.

Iran has lots of mountains, meaning military installations are hard to hit and hard to find. They can hide missiles and drones. Irans drones cost 20k, they have 80 thousand of them. To shoot them down it will cost millions and the u.s may only have 4 thousand missiles that can shoot them down, atleast in the middle east. Anyone who can see the war of attrition here can see that iran will win. What's irans targets? Military targets, oil and energy, and finally water. The GCC has little access to water, so the only way it can produce water is through water plants. They take salt water and turn it into fresh water. 60% of water in the GCC comes from water plants. Its not even the summer yet. Is it hard to blow these plants up with a drone? No. If they are defended then yes, but as I said iran has 20× more drones that are 50× cheaper than the missiles shooting them down. The GCC is a flat desert and is exposed to attack. Iran is a mountain fortress. Iran can destroy the GCC which will destroy the u.s economy. Oh ye? The u.s took Venezuela. But what about everyone else?

The question is how far does the u.s, GCC and iran want to take this? The only way you can defeat iran is using ground troops. Will the u.s send its army? Im not sure yet. If your losing a war which is what could happen to the u.s, Israel and the gcc (forgot to mention israel) would you choose to use nuclear weapons to save your own troops? Again im unsure. Another question is who else will get involved? considering if iran isn't dealt with if things continue to escalate they will still maintain a strangle hold on the economy.

This situation could be devastating in France, germany and even Britain. These nations could very well enter the war. If that happens it is possible russia and China could enter the war on the side of iran. Maybe by China going into Taiwan as they said they would in 2027, this could tie down the entire u.s fleet out in the Pacific. Maybe Russia could destroy the north sea oil rigs? Russia has the oil to give to China and iran.

This could spiral out of control

Edited

Very interesting post.

I was listening to the latest Fourcast podcast today and they were looking purely at the economic implications. They pointed out that aside from oil and gas, 30% of the world's urea, a component in fertiliser, comes through the Straits. So if this goes on for any significant stretch of time food supplies will likely be impacted.

Also pointing out how energy intensive the AI sector is, and how much of the world's money is currently wrapped up in it.

At one point they were saying "if the war is over by the end of the week blah blah....but if it's takes longer blah blah..."

Do we really think it could be over by the end of the week? Seems highly unlikely to me. Even if Trump finds an off ramp and pulls out (despite nothing in his current narrative indicating this) the middle east isn't just going to ping back to what it was last week.

MissConductUS · 05/03/2026 18:38

the idea of the petrol dollar is this. u.s dollar is worth nothing, its only valuable if people want it, "if you want oil from us you have to pay us in u.s dollars" that is the basis of the value of the u.s dollar. So if the GCC collapses the u.s economy will also collapse.

There are many factors that determine the value of the dollar that are not tied to the oil markets. For one, the US has the world's largest economy, and you need dollars to buy US-made goods or American securities (shares and bonds).

What determines the value of the dollar?

The idea that the US economy would "collapse" or that the dollar would be "worth nothing" in the event of an oil shock is a bit daft.

Value of the U.S. Dollar, Explained - NerdWallet

President Donald Trump’s trade war is prompting investors to sell off U.S. assets, which is eroding the value of the U.S. dollar.

https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/value-of-the-us-dollar

RichardOnslowRoper · 05/03/2026 23:42

Trump says he's taking on Cuba after he's done with Iran. Fun times.
www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-want-finish-iran-then-cuba-question-time-2026-03-05/

JaneJeffer · 06/03/2026 00:44

“Very interesting post” indeed

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 06:18

IrishSelkie · 06/03/2026 01:06

Trump has asked Zelensky for help against Iranian Shahed drones.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5llg0e9g9o

Interesting… but then again, why not? They are allies.

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mids2019 · 06/03/2026 06:40

Iranian strikes seem to be diminishing thank god. The next phase of the war seems to be striking deep seated storage bunkers.

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 11:31

IRGC officers fleeing Beirut en masse

Dozens of officers with the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) have fled Beirut in the past two days after Israel threatened to target them.

Axios reported that the officers are largely members of the IRGC’s Quds Force and work as military advisers to Hezbollah.

Israel has already killed the commander and deputy commander of the Quds Force, and over the last two years has assassinated most of the terror group’s most experienced ranks.

On Tuesday, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) issued an ultimatum to anyone associated with the Iranian regime who remained in Lebanon, warning they would “target them wherever they are found” if they did not leave within 24 hours.

Although a small contingent of IRGC officers have stayed behind to maintain the Quds Force presence and work with Hezbollah, an Israeli defence official told Axios: “We expect the IRGC exodus from Lebanon to continue over the next several days.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/03/06/iran-war-latest-news-trump-israel-hezbollah/

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Mercurial123 · 06/03/2026 15:56

Statement from the Chief Rabbi of Iran

Hakham Dr. Y. Hamami Lalezar

Nasi of the Central Bet-Din of Tehran, Iran, The Chief Rabbi of Iran

“In the name of the God, we shall act and succeed”

“Villains do not know and do not understand; they walk in darkness.”

– Psalms 82:5

With pride, I offer condolences for the martyrdom of the wise leader, Imam Khamenei (may he rest in peace), to his esteemed household, the noble people of Iran, and all freedom seekers around the world. Although his loss is a great and irreparable tragedy for the Iranian nation, the justice seeking people of Iran indeed will continue to follow his path and guidance, offering their blood in sacrifice. With steadfastness and brave defense, they will bring all enemies to their knees.

Once again, criminal America and the Zionist regime, through a cowardly and dishonorable attack, have sunk deeper into the mire of collapse. Violating all international laws, they committed a heinous crime during negotiations. This behavior is condemned by all free nations and will undoubtedly receive a decisive and regret-inducing response from the armed forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Wishing victory for the Iranian nation and the establishment of peace and tranquility in the world.

With respectful regards,

Hakham Dr. Younes Hamami Lalezar

Religious Leader of Iranian Jewish People.

HappyFace2025 · 06/03/2026 16:14

And why do you think the Religious Leader of Iranian Jewish People has written that 🙄

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 06/03/2026 17:57

HappyFace2025 · 06/03/2026 16:14

And why do you think the Religious Leader of Iranian Jewish People has written that 🙄

It’s a right old conundrum that is.

Terrribletwos · 06/03/2026 18:09

Covering his own arse possibly or being true and right to his own faith? Why do you think Jewish faiths are still in Iran?

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