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Conflict in the Middle East

WM police at fault for banning Israelis in Birmingham

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mids2019 · 25/11/2025 07:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo

This quite frankly stinks. It seems to me the police have succumbed to local anti Semitic politicians and a vocal Muslim majority in the local area of the stadium to ban Israeli fans with what looked like fabricated reasons.

A woman with long fair hair stands at the Commons despatch box with green benches behind her. She is wearing a black suit and top, and a gold necklace.

MPs want answers on 'exaggerated' Villa-Maccabi match intelligence

Ministers ask West Midlands Police for more details on Israeli fans' ban at the match on 6 November.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze83gw4w2xo

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SharonEllis · 17/01/2026 11:39

1dayatatime · 17/01/2026 11:22

I don't see them as pathetic cowards, I see them as a combination of outright plain old anti semetics (but let's use the cover word of "anti zionists") plus the left wing liberal useful idiots, many of which will in time transition into to outright anti semetics as well.

Also it may start with hating the Jews but it never stops there, tomorrow it will be other groups and other religions (Hindus, Sikhs and Christians).

Lastly it may have started with Bradford but today its Birmingham and Bristol that are anti semetic and it won't stop there either.

I think there is an element of cowardice in the groupthink. Noone in that community is prepared to say, hang on, is this right? Because that would result in ostracisation.

1dayatatime · 17/01/2026 13:29

SharonEllis · 17/01/2026 11:39

I think there is an element of cowardice in the groupthink. Noone in that community is prepared to say, hang on, is this right? Because that would result in ostracisation.

Why would they even question "hang on this isn't right" with these attitudes. This is deeply engrained beliefs which are simply not going to change.

A 2020 report found that roughly a third (33-34%) of British Muslims felt that Jewish people have "too much control" over the media, the banking system, and politics.

In the wake of the October 7, 2023, attack, 46% of British Muslims surveyed in a 2024 poll indicated sympathy for Hamas, while only 24% expressed a negative view of the group.

A March 2024 survey (J.L. Partners for the Henry Jackson Society) found that only 24% of British Muslims believed Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish homeland, with 49% saying it does not.

1dayatatime · 17/01/2026 13:34

Kingscallops · 17/01/2026 11:26

I agree. There are infidels who know what's coming and infidels who have no idea. I hate the word infidels but it is useful in illustrating how useful idiots are precipitating their own fate.

A good example is what happened in Iran. Following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the new Islamic regime led by Ayatollah Khomeini systematically persecuted, suppressed, and executed members of communist, socialist, and other leftist groups that had initially helped overthrow the Shah.

A notable, brutal episode was the 1988 mass executionsof political prisoners, where thousands of jailed leftists were executed without trial or after sham trials. Estimates for the total number of people executed in this period range from 8,000 to over 15,000, or higher.

Ihatetomatoes · 18/01/2026 22:27

caringcarer · 17/01/2026 08:56

You are correct the locals around Aston seem to majority Muslim and they stand in groups of about 8 on the bridge waving their Palestinian flags and shouting anti-Semitic chants at cars as they go by. I saw they had a death to all Jews placard last weekend. They should be arrested as inviting violence with anti-Semitism but they won't be because the police are afraid of them and the sheer numbers of Muslims in and around Aston. The police had no evidence of violence by the Israeli fans in Aston. They should police by evidence not fear. The alternative should have been match played behind closed doors with no fans at all.

They should be arrested for spreading hatred. Where are the police?

TeenagersAngst · 19/01/2026 06:52

Ihatetomatoes · 18/01/2026 22:27

They should be arrested for spreading hatred. Where are the police?

I assume this is irony?

1dayatatime · 19/01/2026 08:12

Ihatetomatoes · 18/01/2026 22:27

They should be arrested for spreading hatred. Where are the police?

Maybe WMP are too busy banning Jews from the area?

Aislyn · 19/01/2026 08:23

Ihatetomatoes · 18/01/2026 22:27

They should be arrested for spreading hatred. Where are the police?

Quite clearly the police in Birmingham only serves one community. Sadly, the chief inspector retiring will not change that. What happened is symptomatic of a much larger problem. West Midlands police is complicit in turning Birmingham into a 'no go' zone for Jews.

Kingscallops · 19/01/2026 09:31

Aislyn · 19/01/2026 08:23

Quite clearly the police in Birmingham only serves one community. Sadly, the chief inspector retiring will not change that. What happened is symptomatic of a much larger problem. West Midlands police is complicit in turning Birmingham into a 'no go' zone for Jews.

WMP have a conundrum now because the appointment of the CC's successor is going to be under close scrutiny. The first thing he/she should do is put a stop to all this pandering to the community and its leaders. The racist bullies need to be broken down, systematically across law and politics. The racists on the inside also need to be sorted out. At least the proposal for making a separate lawfor Islamophobia was given short shrift.

Aislyn · 20/01/2026 16:11

Kingscallops · 19/01/2026 09:31

WMP have a conundrum now because the appointment of the CC's successor is going to be under close scrutiny. The first thing he/she should do is put a stop to all this pandering to the community and its leaders. The racist bullies need to be broken down, systematically across law and politics. The racists on the inside also need to be sorted out. At least the proposal for making a separate lawfor Islamophobia was given short shrift.

I am so thankful for organisations like the CAA who will attempt to hold them to account, but what absolute shambles that we are in the position of having a biased police force.

Ihatetomatoes · 20/01/2026 17:19

Aislyn · 20/01/2026 16:11

I am so thankful for organisations like the CAA who will attempt to hold them to account, but what absolute shambles that we are in the position of having a biased police force.

There were also problems with the forces in Northern towns eg Rochdale with grooming gangs. Rather than being seen or called racist the victims (white girls from vulnerable backgrounds) were ignored.

Dreadful state of affairs. More worried about being labelled racist than actually prosecuting rapists.

Kingscallops · 20/01/2026 18:10

Aislyn · 20/01/2026 16:11

I am so thankful for organisations like the CAA who will attempt to hold them to account, but what absolute shambles that we are in the position of having a biased police force.

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Ihatetomatoes · 21/01/2026 08:30

Copied but shows the problems the country is headed for when it bows to those who threaten violence and excludes others.

"Not written by me but a good analysis of the problems we face. Sectarian politics corrodes wherever it rears its ugly head.
You may not see it in your area but without drastic action it will infect us all eventually.

Britain is slipping into something ugly, and Birmingham has torn the mask off it. Politics is no longer anchored in shared citizenship or equal obligation. It is being bent around sectarian pressure, grievance bargaining, and fear of unrest. When that happens, institutions stop enforcing the law and start negotiating with whoever can make the most noise.

This is not about belief or free expression. It is about power. When elected officials act as brokers for religious or ethnic blocs rather than servants of the whole public, the state fractures. Loyalty replaces law. Fear replaces judgment. The language of tolerance becomes a cover for the abandonment of standards.

The growth of MPs, councillors, and mayors elected primarily through sectarian mobilisation has altered how Britain is governed. Voting power is no longer used to argue policy but to extract concessions. Police, councils, and public bodies learn quickly which groups must be appeased and which can be ignored. Decisions stop being made on principle and start being made on risk management, and once that habit sets in, unequal policing does not need to be announced. It is simply practised.

The Birmingham policing scandal followed that pattern precisely. It did not begin with falsified intelligence or manufactured evidence. Those were symptoms, not causes. The collapse came earlier, when threats against Jews were treated as a problem to be managed rather than crimes to be confronted. Intelligence showed hostility, mobilisation, and plans for violence. Enforcement was not directed at those making the threats. The targets were removed instead.

That single choice explains everything that followed. Intimidation worked. Cause enough trouble and the law bends. Apply enough pressure and rights become conditional. Stay quiet and you are told to stay away "for your own safety". The law remains on the books, but its application depends on who is willing to disrupt.

When politicians like Ayoub Khan dismiss scrutiny as a "witch hunt", they are not defending fairness. They are asserting ownership. They signal that accountability becomes illegitimate when it threatens the political settlement they rely on. Authority is captured not by rewriting the law, but by redefining what institutions are prepared to enforce.

This pattern is no longer confined to one city. Hesitation replaces firmness. Consultation replaces enforcement. Language is softened to avoid offence. Decisions are justified after the fact. When it fails, no one is responsible. Process absorbs the blame. Committees replace consequences.

Sectarian politics rarely destroys institutions outright. It corrodes them by habit. Officials learn that calm is bought through concession. Politicians learn that grievance can be recycled indefinitely. Police leaders learn that neutrality carries more career risk than appeasement. Corruption no longer needs envelopes or bribes. It runs on fear, convenience, and self-preservation.

The most dangerous lie underpinning this drift is the claim that enforcing the law causes unrest. History shows the opposite. Unequal enforcement radicalises. When pressure works, it escalates. When silence is rewarded, retreat follows. The social contract thins until only power remains.

Britain once believed it was immune to this kind of politics. That belief held only while public office meant public duty rather than communal advocacy. That line is now fraying, and Birmingham shows where this road ends: evidence bent to fit decisions, Parliament misled, Jews excluded from public life, and responsibility dissolved into timelines while the institution closed ranks.

This is not simply a policing failure. It is a national warning. A country that enforces different rules for different groups does not become tolerant or diverse. It becomes brittle. Brittle societies do not break loudly. They crack quietly, until one day the law is still written down, but no longer believed in."

Kingscallops · 21/01/2026 08:51

Ihatetomatoes · 21/01/2026 08:30

Copied but shows the problems the country is headed for when it bows to those who threaten violence and excludes others.

"Not written by me but a good analysis of the problems we face. Sectarian politics corrodes wherever it rears its ugly head.
You may not see it in your area but without drastic action it will infect us all eventually.

Britain is slipping into something ugly, and Birmingham has torn the mask off it. Politics is no longer anchored in shared citizenship or equal obligation. It is being bent around sectarian pressure, grievance bargaining, and fear of unrest. When that happens, institutions stop enforcing the law and start negotiating with whoever can make the most noise.

This is not about belief or free expression. It is about power. When elected officials act as brokers for religious or ethnic blocs rather than servants of the whole public, the state fractures. Loyalty replaces law. Fear replaces judgment. The language of tolerance becomes a cover for the abandonment of standards.

The growth of MPs, councillors, and mayors elected primarily through sectarian mobilisation has altered how Britain is governed. Voting power is no longer used to argue policy but to extract concessions. Police, councils, and public bodies learn quickly which groups must be appeased and which can be ignored. Decisions stop being made on principle and start being made on risk management, and once that habit sets in, unequal policing does not need to be announced. It is simply practised.

The Birmingham policing scandal followed that pattern precisely. It did not begin with falsified intelligence or manufactured evidence. Those were symptoms, not causes. The collapse came earlier, when threats against Jews were treated as a problem to be managed rather than crimes to be confronted. Intelligence showed hostility, mobilisation, and plans for violence. Enforcement was not directed at those making the threats. The targets were removed instead.

That single choice explains everything that followed. Intimidation worked. Cause enough trouble and the law bends. Apply enough pressure and rights become conditional. Stay quiet and you are told to stay away "for your own safety". The law remains on the books, but its application depends on who is willing to disrupt.

When politicians like Ayoub Khan dismiss scrutiny as a "witch hunt", they are not defending fairness. They are asserting ownership. They signal that accountability becomes illegitimate when it threatens the political settlement they rely on. Authority is captured not by rewriting the law, but by redefining what institutions are prepared to enforce.

This pattern is no longer confined to one city. Hesitation replaces firmness. Consultation replaces enforcement. Language is softened to avoid offence. Decisions are justified after the fact. When it fails, no one is responsible. Process absorbs the blame. Committees replace consequences.

Sectarian politics rarely destroys institutions outright. It corrodes them by habit. Officials learn that calm is bought through concession. Politicians learn that grievance can be recycled indefinitely. Police leaders learn that neutrality carries more career risk than appeasement. Corruption no longer needs envelopes or bribes. It runs on fear, convenience, and self-preservation.

The most dangerous lie underpinning this drift is the claim that enforcing the law causes unrest. History shows the opposite. Unequal enforcement radicalises. When pressure works, it escalates. When silence is rewarded, retreat follows. The social contract thins until only power remains.

Britain once believed it was immune to this kind of politics. That belief held only while public office meant public duty rather than communal advocacy. That line is now fraying, and Birmingham shows where this road ends: evidence bent to fit decisions, Parliament misled, Jews excluded from public life, and responsibility dissolved into timelines while the institution closed ranks.

This is not simply a policing failure. It is a national warning. A country that enforces different rules for different groups does not become tolerant or diverse. It becomes brittle. Brittle societies do not break loudly. They crack quietly, until one day the law is still written down, but no longer believed in."

Whoever wrote that has articulated this perfectly 👏 Thanks for sharing 😊

Kingscallops · 21/01/2026 08:52

Also @ihatetomatoes that post covers the two tier policing that's not meant to exist.

Ihatetomatoes · 21/01/2026 09:01

Kingscallops · 21/01/2026 08:52

Also @ihatetomatoes that post covers the two tier policing that's not meant to exist.

Sadly, it exists, Rochdale (and many other places) grooming gangs and banning of a football match shows that.

We must never give power to those that threaten violence or shout racism if they are questioned.

1dayatatime · 21/01/2026 09:06

@Ihatetomatoes

That's a really good article explaining the WMP issue.

I would add that it is now not just the Police acting in this way but other areas of public service ranging from the education sector with a Jewish MP being banned from speaking at a Bristol
School to public housing with wide scale social housing fraud perpetrated in Barking and Dagenham that has been ignored for years for fear of causing offence.

Ihatetomatoes · 21/01/2026 09:10

1dayatatime · 21/01/2026 09:06

@Ihatetomatoes

That's a really good article explaining the WMP issue.

I would add that it is now not just the Police acting in this way but other areas of public service ranging from the education sector with a Jewish MP being banned from speaking at a Bristol
School to public housing with wide scale social housing fraud perpetrated in Barking and Dagenham that has been ignored for years for fear of causing offence.

Its awful. It all needs investigation and exposure.

Kingscallops · 21/01/2026 09:19

Ihatetomatoes · 21/01/2026 09:01

Sadly, it exists, Rochdale (and many other places) grooming gangs and banning of a football match shows that.

We must never give power to those that threaten violence or shout racism if they are questioned.

Just been reading about an Israeli comedian and ex soldier who Palestinian groups tried to get barred from entering Canada. They really thrive on their intolerance.

Kingscallops · 21/01/2026 09:31

Looks like the fascists are everywhere

https://share.google/nMPNL1WHR6V1nbwnJ

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