Israel calling Francesca Albanese a witch!?

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I understand anti semite was losing its power to silence but now Israel is calling Francesca Albanese a witch??? At a meeting of the UN?
Has the Israeli government lost it’s mind

The book is basically exactly about how US politics is "influenced" by AIPAC. Lets just say the title is about politicians who tried to oppose the lobbies and what happened to their careers. I can read you the first sentence if you like which is quite insightful. Question is, is it antisemitic that a congressman complained about the influence of a foreign country on US politics.

Subjugated was quite specific.

Why isn’t she shouting about Qatar’s influence in US politics, especially as Qatar has funded and sheltered Hamas and its involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood, which Hamas is a part of.

www.thefp.com/p/how-qatar-bought-america

Exactly. Its so fucking basic it hurts.

You do realise that Hamas was funded by Qatar at the behest of Netanyahu. This is not even a secret or conspiracy theory. Everyone knows it.

I agree photos posted together like that are incredibly insensitive, and she shouldn’t have tagged them, no matter what one thinks of the validity of Netanyahu’s war crime arrest warrant and allegations of genocide against Israel.

The Holocaust was incomprehensible and is incomparable. Although historical context of recent events cannot be removed- it feels really wrong to compare like this.

Deflection, what a surprise. This is such a poorly thought out argument and really lacks critical thinking skills.

Hamas was created in 1988, complete with its famous Charter, and elected to govern Gaza in 2005.

Israel allowed QATAR to send money into Gaza from 2018 due an economic/humanitarian crisis and it was feared this would be a precursor to an attack in Israel.

A Palestinian State with past and present Palestinian leaders including the PA, ideology and civilian support for terrorism, is a massive security threat to Israel (Oct 7th proved that clearly!), so so what if Netanyahu acted in his country’s best interest to prevent that by allowing Qatari funding to keep Hamas contained?

Isn’t that his job?

The Palestinians elected Hamas not Israel, and how exactly were Israel to get Hamas out of power - go in and dismantle it?

Look at the global outrage at Israel trying to do exactly that after Oct 7th? Imagine that WITHOUT it being a response to Oct 7th.

That was in response to @Thedawnchorus .

Look at what is happening in Sudan- oppression and violence can occur in the absence of a religious context. Also a fight for land.

It’s not simple to disentangle.

No it is simple. Its very simple to condemn 7 October. Anyone with any sort of moral perspective does it without qualification.

Do you honestly believe this was so innocent?

In 2019, Mr Netanyahu told colleagues in his ruling Likud party: "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas… This is part of our strategy - to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68318856

To think that Hamas could have been financially crippled years ago.

I do condemn 7/10. Absolutely.

Would it have happened without the complicated history of the region - of course not.

From everything I've read, Netanyahu supported Hamas in order to derail the Oslo accords by supporting an opposition to a unified Palestinian entity thereby sowing discord amongst 2 geographically isolated groups and ensuring there would be a power struggle amongst the Palestinians. Divide and conquer is what they call it. I get it but maintaining that amount of chaos means you'll get bitten by the very snake you've been feeding if you take your eye off it.

A unified Palestinian State, from a pragmatic POV, is not in the best interests of Israel and presents a massive threat. Netanyahu’s responsibility is to Israelis not Palestinians.

Are you saying Netanyahu prevented Palestinians themselves from deciding that it is in their best interests to create and support a uncorrupt, competent government who genuinely renounce terrorism and wish to live in peace?

Didn’t they have that opportunity in Gaza in 2006?

How can it can argued that Palestinians should have a right to self determination while they are constantly infantilised by those who support that?

Do you think a unified Palestinian State is going to change an ideology that believes Israel shouldn’t exist?

It is disingenuous to argue that the lack of a two state solution is the problem. The problem is the existence of Israel!

First you say a unified state is not in Israel's interest and we know that Israel will never cede land for a two state solution. So what kind of peace do you want the Palestinians to live in. The kind where they simply accept they are a third class group with no rights, no self determination and scarce opportunities in the land where they enjoyed all those basic rights prior to 1948. Do you believe anyone would actually accept that without resistance? The West Bank Palestinians have tried to live in peace and just get on with their lives and how has that worked out with constant state sponsored settler attacks driving them from what little land they have left. Unlike you, Israel knows this is an unworkable solution so their solution is much simpler, mass expulsion. The removal of all Palestinians from the state of Israel. Problem is, there is this little detail called international law and international public opinion that is getting in the way. Israel's international reputation is already at an all time low but if they manage to fulfill their plan and expel all the Palestinians, I have no idea how bad it will get after that and how dire the consequences will be.

You don't know that Israel will never cede land for a two state solution. In what sense have the West Bank Palestinians tried to live in peace and get on with their lives? That is just fantasy. Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Hamas and other terrorist groups are all active in the West Bank. Their aim is to destroy Israel. A great deal of the terrorism against Israeli citizens originates in the West Bank. That is hundreds of stabbings, fire bombs, bombs etc against Israeli civilians going back decades. Going further back, the PLO was founded in the 60s with the intention of destroying Israel. They would tell you they were not trying to just get on with their lives but had a strategy to destroy Israel. And everyone on MN that I've come across condemns the illegal settlements and settler violence too.

What part of if you oppress an entire population into being 3rd class citizens with no rights, you are going to get resistance, and yes that resistance will often be violent, did you not get. It's not a unique trait to Israel. It's how the US got it's independence from Britain and ironically, it is how Israel itself got rid of the British. Perhaps I should have said 'some' of the people in the West Bank are just trying to get on with their lives like the old lady who was almost beaten to death while picking olives. You may condemn the illegal settlements and settler violence but the IDF and Israeli governments don't. They protect them. As far as Israel ceding land is concerned. Let's look at some facts. Menachim Begin, back in the 70's, started espousing the concept of Greater Israel, a concept that successive Israeli Prime Ministers have supported. In other words more land, not less. The closest we came to a two state solution was after the Oslo accords even though there was no promise of a two state solution in the accords, just a promise that Israel would consider it. How did that work out. Rabin assassinated. Arafat allegedly assassinated and Clinton almost kicked out of office after possibly being caught in a honeytrap. To the present and Netanyahu has openly declared that there will never be a two state solution. I suppose a new Prime Minister with a different attitude may be able to revive the idea but I wouldn't rate his chances of surviving any longer than Rabin did.

You said people in the West Bank had tried to live in peace and get on with their lives.

Now you're admitting that's not the case but you're calling it legitimate resistance.

That is a view and you're entitled to it. But lets accept the fact that your original point is just not true.

Trying to live in peace is hard when you don’t know if your child will be shot tomorrow or your home taken off you

it’s not an environment when love and peace can thrive

I think it's nit picking to suggest there's a big difference between "legitimate violence" and violence that is "understandable".

If you can understand the "violent resistance" then if you're being honest, you probably do consider it a legitimate response.

Of course saying something is understandable confers an element if legitimacy to it. I understand the circumstances of the people in gaza. I do not believe 7 October was 'understandable' because of it. 7 October is only 'understandable' if you recognise Hamas's death cult ideology with destruction of Israel and Jewish people at the heart of it. So 7 october was legitimate to those that hold that world view.

Exactly.

Perhaps look in the dictionary for the definition of those words. If a person takes the law into his own hands to avenge a crime committed against his family, it is understandable but it is certainly not legitimate.

Netanyahu wanted Hamas in power in Gaza to cause division with the Palestinian authority in the West Bank so there could not be enough unity to create a Palestinian State.

Loads of people would argue that in that circumstance the 'understandable' action that person took should be considered mitigation. That is a very common thought process people go through and the legal system makes provision for it too.