Hamas are primitive thugs

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And I hope they are all killed. Poor Palestinian people forced to live under their disgusting rule. Resistance is met with execution. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g3p52k15o

Marwan Barghouti.
He's topped the polls, unites across factions, is highly educated, has experience of negotiating with Israel. Fluent in Hebrew. Very much a political veteran.

And yes he's convicted of terror offences, which he denies. This was in a court with a 95% conviction rate, amongst allegations of torture, very limited evidence and a level of unfitness that would have the conviction thrown out in an instant in the UK.

It's Trump. He says whatever he fancies is at any given moment! I'm not sure why you're expecting consistency from him. Yes he said they can rearm to try and gain order. He's also said they must disarm. But he's the idiot who thinks you cure covid by drinking bleach and that power sets more causes autism, so are we really that surprised? However, these sorts of contradictions aren't harmless and they're going to be causing a lot of confusion.

That's what I would like to see.

Israel step away from the whole sorry mess and let someone else take over while they just retreat to a defensive position and concentrate on just defending themselves.

They have been just defending themselves havent they?

He said he gave them approval for a period of time.

Also, that Hamas will be forced to disarm. So the period of time will presumably end soon.

Don't see the two statements as that contradictory.

So why are you bothering to quote him then with your links?

Same. I really think they should. Just ensure their security and let all those who spoke out against them deal with Hamas somehow.

I expect most of us can agree on that Palestinians desrve to be free from Hamas, but as PPs have said it'll be difficult to achieve when so many still support them

This is the point you'll never see answered from the unbalanced everything's-Israel's-fault contingent - probably because it's not answerable except by accepting that too many have brought this upon themselves

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

Because like the contradictory idiot or not, he's clearly got power. He clearly has given permission for them to be armed at the moment. He's also perfectly fine with what they're doing with those weapons.

It shows that my assertion that he's giving them permission to be armed at the moment and is content with what they're doing is in fact correct. As is Israel arming some of the militias. You asked for evidence for what I said. I provided it.

Yes and the other question which is difficult to answer is, that if Gazan's overall didnt or dont support Hamas and want them out, what do they want them replaced with? A tolerant, democratic replacement who want to work with Israel, recognise Israel's right to exist and believe in a 2 state solution. A group who would respect other views, beliefs, religions, promote womens rights and those with disabilities and different sexualities.

They've been in a war situation so both attacking and defending but the war is over now.

Would like them to be able to withdraw further than where they currently are (the area marked by a yellow line on Trump's peace plan).

Once the ISF is mobilised (international stabilization force composed of U.S., Arab, and European personnel) they will be able to withdraw further to the second line and then eventually to the security buffer zone.

That's what I would like to see ASAP, the ISF controlling security not the IDF.

And yet the more recent headline I provided merely highlights his inconsistency, according to you.

But your links don’t allow for Trump’s inconsistency? Hmm.

Weird.

Hamas will be disarmed I hope. And squashed.

Ah, so I'm right, so let's deflect. That's crystal clear 😂

Do you accept that he told them they could have their weapons at the moment and that he's happy with what they're doing with the gangs?

Because it seems you don't want to answer a simple question.

It would be nice to think any such group could be elected in Palestine, soupyspoon, but look at the polls again and you'll see it's clear that the fundamental urge to destroy Israel is too embedded for it to happen

As we learned with Afghanistan there can only be lasting regime change if it's what a groundswell of the population want, and when it isn't there the hell continues

Plenty of women on MN seem quite generally supportive of Hamas's general ideology of "freedom from Israel" (with varying degrees of awareness of what that implies), and march in UK cities to call for this to be exercised "from the river to the sea." Mild-looking British pensioners are happy to be arrested in support of the proscribed terrorist group, Palestine Action.

The latest headline from 15 hours ago said he wanted them disarmed.

Did you read the headline or did you watch the video which was behind headline? Because in the video he said he was okay with what they were doing with the gangs. He also said that Hamas will disarm because he had to chat with him and they said ' yes sir' when he asked the question. But if they didn't then they would be disarmed.

That ain't never going to happen in an Islamic country, with or without Hamas. Israel is the only functionally democractic country in the Middle East.

Correct.

@Alantraitor ’Once the ISF is mobilised (international stabilization force composed of U.S., Arab, and European personnel)’

I really hope the west isn’t stupid enough to put American or British troops into Gaza.
The Arab League need to take of this.

If I knew that I'd be an acclaimed politician on the world stage.

I'm saying what Palestinians deserve. I have friends whose families are long-term Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, they dearly want to go home, but there's nowhere to go.

Not even the majority of them. 50% of the population of Gaza are children for starters. They don't deserve to live under a terrorist organisation who publically executes those who stand against them.

The life expectancy in Gaza is 40. The last (so called) election was in 2006, so how many living people actually voted? Of them how many voted for Hamas and out of them, how many did so out of fear?

Rafah had three seats in the 2006 elections - not one of them went to Hamas, so even in Gaza it is clear that support for Hamas isn't a given (despite their reign of terror).

I mourn the deaths of Palestinians killed by Hamas. Of course I do.

So that's at least 50% of the population you agree so not support Hamas.

I'll rephrase. The majority of Gazan's support what Hamas stands for.