Free Palestine

[mommyandmore]

Please forgive my ignorance! Please can someone tell me the history of this? I have obviously seen and read what has unfolded over the past year but I’d really like someone to break down what’s happening. The things I’m seeing are horrific! Thanks and please no sarky comments, I’m really wanting to educate myself further about this.

I obviously mean no one on the mumsnet boards that I have seen.

A few posters have mentioned living with rocket fire etc… which would make me assume they are not living in London.

"My current government"? What exactly do you mean by that.

Israel is a country. Hamas and other anti-Israel groups call it the Zionist Entity because they do not recognise it as a legitimate state, which is why there is a concerted effort to delegitimise it from its very creation.

And people claim that they know the basics.

Again, you have clearly not been paying attention.

Perhaps you should.

Very, very rare for any of the pro Israel posters to live there ... there have been one or two but they get too upset with the comments on these boards so generally barely post or stop posting after a short while.

We have literally had a poster hero worshipping Sinwar and people excusing 7 October in all sorts of ways.

There is a difference between having a population that is predominantly one religion and giving more rights to people of a certain religion. Ireland is primarily catholic but if my unbaptised child applies for a school place it will have an equal chance to getting a place to a catholic, muslim or jewish child - similarly in the UK public schools are not segregated. They also don’t offer citizenship with no connection to the country based on religion. I disagree with religion being part of any constitution and should have no place in the laws of the land, no one should get more or less rights based on religion - I would also condemn Saudi, Dubai, Iran for having religion at the heart of governance.

Hamas were funded and supported by the Israeli government and have not allowed elections in over 20 years. They are not a legitimate government so it’s not really a fair comparison. I also do not believe in this day and age that the UK would try and eliminate all people of the same ethnicity as the terrorists.

I saw that thread, she was not worshipping Sinwar but instead saying that reading the book helps you understand the mindset of Hamas. Things are not always so black and white - I would read something written by Sinwar and Netanyahu despite not agreeing with either of them simply to see what way their minds work and see what their perspective is.

I'm not even pro-Israel in that I absolutely do not support their current actions in Gaza....that doesn't mean I've lost my ability to think critically though.

I've seen absolutely awful antisemitism on MN. It was bad during the Corbyn era but after October 7th it has been unbelievably awful. People justifying October 7th. People claiming Israel did October 7th. People denying that anyone was raped on October 7th.
Holocaust denial, claims that Jews control the media, control our government, that Keir Starmer's wife controls our government via him because she's Jewish.

And people will still claim that they haven't seen any of this. That it's all 'legitimate criticism of Israel being shot down as antisemitism'.

So yeah. Pay better attention before you try telling me what people do and don't post on MN.

But Israel aren't trying to eliminate all people of the same ethnicity as the terrorists.

Haven't you seen the peace plan? The war will immediately end if Hamas agree to the terms and Israeli forces will withdraw from the Gaza strip.

Actually Israel have said they'll be staying for the foreseeable future.

But it’s not just about Israeli forces withdrawing from the strip.
It’s about the kind of living conditions and level of self-determination the Palestinians will have after.
Unless Israel pull out completely from the West Bank, and give the two territories ample opportunity to connect with each other and trade and develop relations with other countries, we will be back to the non-peace of October 6th.
And the cycle will continue.

And those who say that a Palestinian state shouldn't happen now after genocidal maniacs have killed and maimed 10% of their population and starved the entirety of Gaza need look at the implications of what they are saying. If you can't see the need to protect people living beside a genocidal, murderous state then you need to question your motivations. You actively want people to continue living under the occupation of a genocidal state whilst on your high horse about how Israelis need to be kept safe, how you tally that in your head, how you've decided that Israelis are more entitled to be safe than anyone else is beyond me.

You seem very confused.

No one can force Netanyahu’s government or Hamas to adopt a two state solution can they? It’s called being realistic.

The war will have ended so the fighting will stop.

No, dw, I've got the measure of you completely.

What does dw mean?

dw = don’t worry.

And really, Sharon - don’t worry. Think some people are less than happy tonight about a possible peace deal & end to the fighting.

Go figure 🤷🏼‍♀️

Ah thank you.
I knew people were invested in the war continuing but I have to admit I'm a bit surprised by how transpatently disappointed they seem to be. Oh well, lets hope the right people are rolling their sleeves up.

It's not shocking but it is saddening and telling how some people oppose any possibility for peace and security for the Palestinians if it also means peace and security for Israel and its continued existence.

Don’t be daft. No one here on the Pro-Palestinian side wants the war to continue. We just want an equitable and just solution for the Palestinians, as well as safety for the Israelis.

Your vision seems to be that you want the Israelis safe and that’s it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dq9xwngv2o

Why is there not a great cheer from the Pro Palestinians about the prospect below? Is it because many of them secretly harboured support for Hamas and their forced surrender will not hard. Is it because 'from the river to the sea' sounds so hollow?

No one here on the Pro-Palestinian side wants the war to continue

I'm not so sure. This does appear to be "an equitable and just solution for the Palestinians, as well as safety for the Israelis".

Some regular commentators on the war seem to have gone silent about this huge thing that has happened though. A peace deal that could well end the war.

It is a success in that there will finally be a ceasefire and sufficient aid will be let into the country. Palestinians will be allowed to leave AND return.

It will hopefully be a “demilitarised” zone.

There are only vague suggestions of a 2ss at the end- but at least it’s mentioned.

It sounds promising!

Let’s hope neither Hamas and Netanyahu let it fail.