Free Palestine

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Please forgive my ignorance! Please can someone tell me the history of this? I have obviously seen and read what has unfolded over the past year but I’d really like someone to break down what’s happening. The things I’m seeing are horrific! Thanks and please no sarky comments, I’m really wanting to educate myself further about this.

There are definitely uncertainties and Netanyahu has to keep his coalition on board.

But we just the killing of innocent people in Gaza to stop and for sufficient aid to go in.

With countries recognised the state ot Palestine- hopefully the political pressure will be maintained now to this solution- let’s hope so. But first get the IDF and Hamas out of Gaza, and the hostages back home.

Yemen. Saudi is the biggest buyer of UK arms. Completely dwarfing arms sales to Israel.

But "Yemen Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around."

If they started campaigning against Yemen, they might realise that chanting their support for the Houthis was monumentally stupid.

This is a concern- has the UK supported what Saudi Arabia has done? Condoned it?

That is certainly something to hope for @Stripes56, but the worry as I see it is that, as it stands, that may leave too misty and distant a hope for Hamas to think surrender worth their while, even if they were to believe they really would get amnesty and escape to freedom, and Gaza really would be free from military rule. I must say if I were in their shoes I would not believe that part.

So it is up to Hamas to feel altruistic enough to give themselves up (even to likely death) and at least, as you say, gain an end to the bombing of the Palestinian civilians, a Palestinian prisoner release (temporarily?), and the flow of aid into Gaza.

Another consideration is that the more the establishment of a Palestinian state is put off, the more the West Bank will continue to be taken by Israel till there is nothing left of it and a then Palestinian state will be impossible.

Except Netanyahu has made clear that the IDF is not going anywhere. What is it with people's wishful thinking and reading his words to mean the opposite of what he says?

Then there's the fact that Israel unilaterally broke the last ceasefire deal, and that Trump is a pathological liar who can barely even remember what he said last week, let alone honour it. Yet with no even vague commitment to Palestinian statehood, we're supposed to believe it will somehow emerge out of the two honourable gentlemen's goodwill?

It may well be that Hamas will accept the deal simply because they have no other options. But as for it meaning anything as a step towards lasting peace, or anything other than total Israeli hegemony, forget it.

I read the regional support for Hamas has been significantly impacted. The main benefit they get out of it is the release of some product prisoners from Israeli prisons.

This article suggests that Netanyahu is banking on Hamas declining the deal. I hope they accept and Netanyahu’s right wing coalition collapses.

edition.cnn.com/2025/09/30/politics/trump-gaza-peace-plan-ukraine-failures-netanyahu

The deal does leave uncertainty as to what will happen in the WB- but it does propose making the Palestinian Authority fit for purpose, that will hopefully help strengthen discussions around a future Palestinian state.

This is a real concern- but I don’t think there’s an alternative that’s going to end the conflict.

if Netanyahu did not go along with the deal - would it result in further international and regional outrage? I’m not sure- but more and more countries are recognising Palestine as a state- so who knows?
Israel may well become the Sparta Netanyahu spoke about if he fails to adhere to the deal.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/16/netanyahu-super-sparta-vision-israel-economic-future-isolation

Would you also gush about how remarkably brave they are?

People can be brave without being good.
A mad person could be extraordinarily brave; or a soldier could be brave and yet also commit a war crimes; or just
people with nothing to lose could be brave
but in a thoughtless way with nothing to do with honour or principles of good over evil.

German, Russian and Japanese soldiers were brave though abhorrent.

You don't think someone who, on response to being asked if they are a fan of Sinwar, starts talking about how he was a remarkable and uncompromising and committed man without even acknowledging that he was also a mass murderer?

And I don't think you can compare an average German, Russian or Japanese soldier who probably don't have much of a choice to someone who masterminded one of the worst terrorist attacks of all time. Although if someone started waxing lyrical about a Russian soldier who faced down a drone with a stick that might be a bit odd.

@xenogear the bit where (the millionaire) Sinwar died with just a pack of mints in his pocket did bring a lump to my throat though. I mean, I forgot that he masterminded the biggest attack on Jews since the Holocaust for a bout a whole second, so lost was I in admiration.

The thing that's really admirable about Hitler is how he just put himself out there, y'know?

If someone said that, you'd definitely think they were hoarding Nazi memorabilia somewhere.

Though Hitler was awarded a medal for bravery in WWI, this article is about how he was not actually brave at all.

They [newly revealed documents] challenge long-held views on Hitler's supposedly brave war record, revealing that frontline soldiers shunned him as a "rear area pig" based several miles from danger.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/16/new-evidence-adolf-hitler

Oh dear god.

What is that supposed to mean?

A poster seemed to be saying Hitler fitted the category of brave but mad, savage or criminal which I had been talking about. It turns out he was only the latter.

This is a real concern- but I don’t think there’s an alternative that’s going to end the conflict.
if Netanyahu did not go along with the deal - would it result in further international and regional outrage? I’m not sure- but more and more countries are recognising Palestine as a state- so who knows?
Israel may well become the Sparta Netanyahu spoke about if he fails to adhere to the deal.

Who knows. When Israel unilaterally broke the ceasefire agreement last time enough people here seemed to feel it was entirely Hamas's fault, so there's not much point imagining that actions will lead to logical outcomes when it comes to public opinion.

No the posters point was that if people posted something positive about Hitler you'd quite rightly suspect they were a bit of a nazi sympathiser. It was not an opening gambit for further Hitler chat.

Quite.