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Conflict in the Middle East

Christian town in west bank attacked and burned

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smallglassbottle · 09/07/2025 19:24

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLsIanHxtrC/?igsh=MXZsMnlvM2Fxa3Iycw==

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/265035/priest-warns-christian-town-of-taybe-in-holy-land-no-longer-safe-amid-settler-attacks

https://www.friendsoftheholyland.org.uk/taybeh

I'm an Orthodox Christian. It has just occurred to me that we might lose all of our sacred places in the Holy Land if this hostility by israel continues.

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veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 05:35

I think that has been rumbling on in the background for quite some time. People have claimed that Bibi is prolonging the war so that he can keep his own sorry arse out of jail on the corruption charges he’s facing. Personally, if I was an Israeli, I would expect better.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 08:04

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/07/2025 01:22

So Netenyhu is beyond the law and the wishes of Israelis so long as he inflicts war?

I'm not wholly au fait with Israeli democracy but are you saying that elections there can't take place in the next round?Confused

Elections don’t take place during war time in any country as far as I’m aware.

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 08:09

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 08:04

Elections don’t take place during war time in any country as far as I’m aware.

Indeed, its very unusual. No elections here in 1st or 2nd world war even though they were due. I think the Israeli people would quite like one so sooner Hamas surrender the better for everyone.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 08:46

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 08:09

Indeed, its very unusual. No elections here in 1st or 2nd world war even though they were due. I think the Israeli people would quite like one so sooner Hamas surrender the better for everyone.

Yes I imagine they would.

A more moderate leader would be better for Israel going forward I think, and this is likely to happen at the post war elections.

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 09:23

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 08:46

Yes I imagine they would.

A more moderate leader would be better for Israel going forward I think, and this is likely to happen at the post war elections.

Definitely. The sooner Netanyahu is gone the better.

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 09:39

NotrialNodeal · 09/07/2025 20:27

O God Almighty, hear our prayers of lament! Our hearts are heavy as we witness the suffering of our brothers and sisters in Christ, as their lives are torn apart. Lord have mercy! We pray for all who live in the Holy Lands of sacred scriptures, may peace be with them, today and all the days of their life. Amen.

Thank you for this prayer, which I will try and memorise and God bless you.
@Coolpotatoface You're bang on the nail the lack of reporting by the MSM is anti-Christian bigotry. To this day, Christians are the most persecuted group globally and the Western media rarely report on it! I think we all know why!

Jk987 · 12/07/2025 10:35

Let’s not use religion to be divisive yet again 😩. Who cares what ancient book, irrelevant to modern society you choose to believe? We are all HUMAN.

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 10:40

Treaclewell · 10/07/2025 18:50

I have heard once that the Palestinian Christians are the wrong sort of Christian. Not evangelical findamentalists. And by using their own vernacular, they refer to God as Allah. Some people find that difficult.
I pray for all of the Palestinians every night. Christian, Muslim, Jew, and atheist. And the appalling settlers who, a lot coming from the US, don't need to steal land.

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I wonder if it's because most Christians in Palestine are Catholic or Orthodox? There is a error in some of the more fundamentalist Protestant denominations that we Catholics are not true Christians, and I have even been accused by some of them (online-surprise, surprise!) of being a pagan because I "worship" Mary as a goddess and "worship" idols because we have holy artwork in our churches and homes. This error has become quite common in some of these denominations because of a book written by a man called Hislop, can't remember his first name. It's an extremely anti-Catholic manuscript by all accounts.
As the Orthodox also venerate Mary, honour the saints and have holy artwork I imagine the same false accusations are thrown at them as well ?!

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 10:44

Treaclewell · 10/07/2025 19:55

I have been racking my brains for the sources, and have a nasty thought that it was a convert to a very evangelical church among my colleagues. They weren't comfortable with the traditional churches over here, either. So the Catholics and Orthodox over there are not kosher. The Allah comment was I think on TV.

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I remember hearing that Allah is just Arabic for God! Arabic speaking Christians wouldn't be referring to the same Allah as Muslims in that case.

BibiSuzanne · 12/07/2025 11:01

Jk987 · 12/07/2025 10:35

Let’s not use religion to be divisive yet again 😩. Who cares what ancient book, irrelevant to modern society you choose to believe? We are all HUMAN.

100%

NotrialNodeal · 12/07/2025 11:14

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 10:40

I wonder if it's because most Christians in Palestine are Catholic or Orthodox? There is a error in some of the more fundamentalist Protestant denominations that we Catholics are not true Christians, and I have even been accused by some of them (online-surprise, surprise!) of being a pagan because I "worship" Mary as a goddess and "worship" idols because we have holy artwork in our churches and homes. This error has become quite common in some of these denominations because of a book written by a man called Hislop, can't remember his first name. It's an extremely anti-Catholic manuscript by all accounts.
As the Orthodox also venerate Mary, honour the saints and have holy artwork I imagine the same false accusations are thrown at them as well ?!

Agree.
There are not 100 people who legitimately hate the Catholic Church. But there are thousands that hate what they believe to be the Catholic Church.”
—Venerable Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.

@Helpnifoseeker you're most welcome. May the Lord bless you and keep you 🙏 ✝️

yallahbye · 12/07/2025 11:33

In the era of AI generated fake news, I’m not sure I trust certain sources. I’ve seen deep fake videos before and they are eerily realistic.

Mabari · 12/07/2025 11:34

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 10:44

I remember hearing that Allah is just Arabic for God! Arabic speaking Christians wouldn't be referring to the same Allah as Muslims in that case.

Don't the Abhraham religions all have the same god?

Mabari · 12/07/2025 11:35

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 09:39

Thank you for this prayer, which I will try and memorise and God bless you.
@Coolpotatoface You're bang on the nail the lack of reporting by the MSM is anti-Christian bigotry. To this day, Christians are the most persecuted group globally and the Western media rarely report on it! I think we all know why!

"I thinking we all know why"

I don't. Why?

smallglassbottle · 12/07/2025 12:03

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 10:40

I wonder if it's because most Christians in Palestine are Catholic or Orthodox? There is a error in some of the more fundamentalist Protestant denominations that we Catholics are not true Christians, and I have even been accused by some of them (online-surprise, surprise!) of being a pagan because I "worship" Mary as a goddess and "worship" idols because we have holy artwork in our churches and homes. This error has become quite common in some of these denominations because of a book written by a man called Hislop, can't remember his first name. It's an extremely anti-Catholic manuscript by all accounts.
As the Orthodox also venerate Mary, honour the saints and have holy artwork I imagine the same false accusations are thrown at them as well ?!

They generally don't bother us because they're not sure what we are. They feel more confident attacking Roman Catholicism because it's western and they're more familiar with it.

Our Church wrote their Bible, so we don't pay any heed to what they say as they have no knowledge or understanding of Holy Orthodoxy. It's not something you can read and learn about from books, you have to live and be immersed in it to fully understand.

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smallglassbottle · 12/07/2025 12:09

yallahbye · 12/07/2025 11:33

In the era of AI generated fake news, I’m not sure I trust certain sources. I’ve seen deep fake videos before and they are eerily realistic.

Of course it's not fake news, it's being widely reported across numerous trustworthy news outlets.

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quantumbutterfly · 12/07/2025 13:40

Helpnifoseeker · 12/07/2025 10:44

I remember hearing that Allah is just Arabic for God! Arabic speaking Christians wouldn't be referring to the same Allah as Muslims in that case.

Judaism, Christianity & Islam all stem from Abraham the patriarch. It certainly is the same God.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/07/2025 22:34

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 08:04

Elections don’t take place during war time in any country as far as I’m aware.

No, different countries have different rules in accordance with their laws.

Helpnifoseeker · 13/07/2025 11:44

Mabari · 12/07/2025 11:34

Don't the Abhraham religions all have the same god?

It might seem the case but once you start comparing the way God is described in the Bible, especially God Incarnate Himself, Jesus Christ in the Gospels , with the Koranic version, you start to see that it's unlikely to be the same person at all.
I wouldn't expect anyone to take my word for it though, best look into for yourself!

Helpnifoseeker · 13/07/2025 11:49

quantumbutterfly · 12/07/2025 13:40

Judaism, Christianity & Islam all stem from Abraham the patriarch. It certainly is the same God.

I used to believe that as well, but once I started reading and hearing the way God is described in the Bible, and especially in the Gospels compared with the Koran, I began to see 2 very different persons being written about.

dairydebris · 13/07/2025 11:55

Helpnifoseeker · 13/07/2025 11:49

I used to believe that as well, but once I started reading and hearing the way God is described in the Bible, and especially in the Gospels compared with the Koran, I began to see 2 very different persons being written about.

For me it hinges around the Trinity.
There's no way Islam or Judaism could accept Jesus or the Holy Spirit. That would be blasphemous, no?

quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 12:04

Helpnifoseeker · 13/07/2025 11:49

I used to believe that as well, but once I started reading and hearing the way God is described in the Bible, and especially in the Gospels compared with the Koran, I began to see 2 very different persons being written about.

It might surprise you that not everyone has the same relationship with god, hence the schisms in every area of abrahamic faith.
Always remember that for a thousand years or so holy books have mainly been in the remit of men who understood the power of faith and fear.

Abraham is the accepted patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam in that chronological order.

quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 12:06

dairydebris · 13/07/2025 11:55

For me it hinges around the Trinity.
There's no way Islam or Judaism could accept Jesus or the Holy Spirit. That would be blasphemous, no?

Jesus is demoted to a prophet in Islam rather than the son of god.

dairydebris · 13/07/2025 12:13

quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 12:06

Jesus is demoted to a prophet in Islam rather than the son of god.

Yes, but he's divine in Christianity, which is blasphemous in Judaism and Islam, I'd absolutely love to think they're all actually worshipping the same God ( although, shit, the irony ) but can't make the creeds fit.
Interesting that you think otherwise though, I'd be keen to hear more why?

NotrialNodeal · 13/07/2025 13:21

It is impossible IMO, to hold that Christians have the same God as Muslims or Jews. The consistent mentioning of this acceptance of monotheism somehow = the one true God after the explicit revelation of Christ to the world I think is a total contradiction because what I don’t hear in these analogies is the difference between an unknowing with a certain confusion due to the time in salvation history someone is living in or maybe a culture that comes to believe in one God through natural theology vs an explicit rejection of Christ therefore God. If the point is do they worship one God then okay, sure; but to say they worship our God? The Trinity in some confused way? While also rejecting Christ? This is not possible!

Within this discussion the idea often comes up that “well did Moses understand the Trinity?” as a defense of this position. We don’t know if he had a conception of Trinity in his earthly life so at best, we have an argument from silence or just no verdict but at the Transfiguration it is somewhat clear Moses endorses Christ. Again, not knowing clearly vs rejecting are totally different things. Christ's own words deny the multiple road pathway to God.

• John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

• John 5:23 That all men may honour the Son, as they honour the Father. He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him.

• 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

How can we possibly say we worship the same God as them when ours has made this impossible? Again, if we want to say monotheism, sure. To say they can worship the same God with us without the Trinity and Christ post revelation is simply false. My question to that would be what would it take besides a monotheistic belief to rationalize that a different group worships the same God as us? Or better framed, how much of the revelation we possess can someone reject yet still be right?

Muslims do not believe they worship the same God as us which just adds to the case that this position is untenable. Islam’s Quran opposes those “who say that God is the third of three” (5:73). A further passage declares that “we worship God alone; we ascribe no partner to Him, and none of us takes others beside God as lords” (3:64; similarly in 6:161-163). The Quran also says that God asked Jesus, “Did you say to people take me and my mother as two gods alongside God?” Jesus then denied this (5:116).

The Angelic Doctor has a great quote that I have seen, which I am sure many are familiar with, “On the contrary, he [Muhammad] perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place any faith in his words believe foolishly.”

If we want to reject Christ’s teachings, Islam’s own teachings, Jewish beliefs, Aquinas and just basic common sense about the laws of non-contradiction and the impossibility of rejecting such a fundamental component of something while also claiming to accept it, then sure I guess you can say we worship the same God as Muslims and Jews. I reject that position as they reject Christ as Lord and God.