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UK government - sanctions against Israeli cabinet members

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mids2019 · 04/06/2025 23:18

I think this is as far as the government should ever go if it does try and send some kind of signal to Israel. The idea of sanctions hurting every Israeli , including the families of the October 7th victims, would be simply wrong. To damage the economy of Israel at this time of war would be morally wrong and simply lead to other countries improving trade links.

Our government should not be beholden to a pro Palestinian mob and make long lasting commitments that would reward Hamas for one of the most terrible if not the most terrible terrorist event in history.

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Badh · 05/06/2025 06:59

Do you have an issue with collective punishment against civilians then? How do you feel about the killing, maiming and starvation of Palestinian civilians?

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 07:03

Badh · 05/06/2025 06:59

Do you have an issue with collective punishment against civilians then? How do you feel about the killing, maiming and starvation of Palestinian civilians?

Do you have an issue with collective punishment against civilians then? How do you feel about rockets being fired in the middle of the night to heavily populated civilians areas? How do you feel about media spouting propaganda that fuels the execution of innocent young people? How do you feel about people being targeted, demonised, dehumanised and terrified just because their government makes terrible choices?

Badh · 05/06/2025 07:10

Yes I absolutely do. Targeting a civilian population like this is always wrong - no matter who is doing it or who is suffering.

I wouldn’t consider economic sanctions to be in the same league though.

mids2019 · 05/06/2025 07:12

I feel despite any feelings on this conflict we should not punish the Israeli people for any perceived (note the word perceived) excessive force in Gaza. We cannot not arm Israel and leave it defenceless either, that idea is simply crazy.

I don't whether sanctions on 2 individuals may be appropriate but I think we could stop there and move on from some sort of punishment of Israel for responding to mass terrorism .

also I am really concerned that there are sectarian forces driving a desire for a UK repose. which is certainly unwelcome in a pluralist society where I would say the silent majority are in support of no or very limited action against Israel.

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Comedycook · 05/06/2025 07:16

Badh · 05/06/2025 06:59

Do you have an issue with collective punishment against civilians then? How do you feel about the killing, maiming and starvation of Palestinian civilians?

Do you think we shouldn't have fought back in ww2 in case German civilians were killed?

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 07:43

You do realise the UK is sending arms to Israel, that is what people want to stop! The UK cannot condemn the actions of Israel and then allow weapons to travel from the UK to the IDF - that is contradictory. You can’t condemn a war while enabling it and profiting from it!

Stripes56 · 05/06/2025 07:54

The settlements are continuing at pace and it will be ordinary Israeli citizens that live there. This is considered illegal by most other countries.

82% of Israeli citizens believe in ethnic cleansing of Gaza. This would be illegal.

56% believe all Palestinians should be expelled - illegal.

47% believe that when the IDF captures a city - all its inhabitants should be killed! Genocide?

Even secular Israeli back this:
69% supported the expulsion of Gazans
31% consider Joshua's extermination of Jericho's residents as a precedent that the IDF should adopt

The survey done by Pennsylvania uni.

archive.is/QvrVu

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 10:24

Stripes56 · 05/06/2025 07:54

The settlements are continuing at pace and it will be ordinary Israeli citizens that live there. This is considered illegal by most other countries.

82% of Israeli citizens believe in ethnic cleansing of Gaza. This would be illegal.

56% believe all Palestinians should be expelled - illegal.

47% believe that when the IDF captures a city - all its inhabitants should be killed! Genocide?

Even secular Israeli back this:
69% supported the expulsion of Gazans
31% consider Joshua's extermination of Jericho's residents as a precedent that the IDF should adopt

The survey done by Pennsylvania uni.

archive.is/QvrVu

It is so scary! The indoctrination starts at such a young age though - if you see the trips that Daniella Weiss takes little kids on and she tells them that God promised them the land, they are chosen. A South African told me when he was young in primary school the teachers there told them that black people are stupid, lazy, violent, have no souls and choose to live in poverty. He just accepted it as a fact as he was a kid and it was adults telling him this. His parents were very highly educated and not racist so his mum knocked that thinking out of him as a teenager but he said his peers all just accepted it. BDS really worked in South Africa in forcing them to give everyone the same rights.

I am very much in favour of a full boycott - I think an arms embargo is the absolute minimum because it makes the UK complicit but personally I think there needs to be a full trade embargo. If people’s finances are hit they may start to question why it is happening, challenge their government to stop and stop voting in the people who commit genocide.

Itscoldinside · 05/06/2025 13:24

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 07:43

You do realise the UK is sending arms to Israel, that is what people want to stop! The UK cannot condemn the actions of Israel and then allow weapons to travel from the UK to the IDF - that is contradictory. You can’t condemn a war while enabling it and profiting from it!

"A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “This government has suspended relevant licences for the IDF that might be used to commit or facilitate serious violations of international humanitarian law in Gaza.

“Of the remaining licences for Israel, the vast majority are not for the Israeli Defence Forces but are for civilian purposes or re-export, and therefore are not used in the war in Gaza.

“The only exemption is the F-35 programme due to its strategic role in Nato and wider implications for international peace and security. Any suggestion that the UK is licensing other weapons for use by Israel in the war in Gaza is misleading."

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 15:08

Itscoldinside · 05/06/2025 13:24

"A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “This government has suspended relevant licences for the IDF that might be used to commit or facilitate serious violations of international humanitarian law in Gaza.

“Of the remaining licences for Israel, the vast majority are not for the Israeli Defence Forces but are for civilian purposes or re-export, and therefore are not used in the war in Gaza.

“The only exemption is the F-35 programme due to its strategic role in Nato and wider implications for international peace and security. Any suggestion that the UK is licensing other weapons for use by Israel in the war in Gaza is misleading."

So arming the settlers to allow them to murder people in the West Bank instead! Sending arms to a country engaged in genocide is wrong. UK jets should also not be working with the IDF, there is no excusing it.

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 18:00

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 07:43

You do realise the UK is sending arms to Israel, that is what people want to stop! The UK cannot condemn the actions of Israel and then allow weapons to travel from the UK to the IDF - that is contradictory. You can’t condemn a war while enabling it and profiting from it!

Did you know that Israel provides the UK with vital Intelligence, defence technology and Human Resources to assist with potential terror attacks? Did you know that Israel also provides technology and medical equipment, usually for free by the way, including swallow cams, eye tracking devices, insulin pumps and many more? I bet you didn’t know that.

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 18:04

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 15:08

So arming the settlers to allow them to murder people in the West Bank instead! Sending arms to a country engaged in genocide is wrong. UK jets should also not be working with the IDF, there is no excusing it.

Settlers (another word for Jews living on Palestinian land.. see what I did there..?) are certainly not being armed by the UK!!

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 18:13

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 10:24

It is so scary! The indoctrination starts at such a young age though - if you see the trips that Daniella Weiss takes little kids on and she tells them that God promised them the land, they are chosen. A South African told me when he was young in primary school the teachers there told them that black people are stupid, lazy, violent, have no souls and choose to live in poverty. He just accepted it as a fact as he was a kid and it was adults telling him this. His parents were very highly educated and not racist so his mum knocked that thinking out of him as a teenager but he said his peers all just accepted it. BDS really worked in South Africa in forcing them to give everyone the same rights.

I am very much in favour of a full boycott - I think an arms embargo is the absolute minimum because it makes the UK complicit but personally I think there needs to be a full trade embargo. If people’s finances are hit they may start to question why it is happening, challenge their government to stop and stop voting in the people who commit genocide.

  1. The Israelis (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze, Baha’i, Jain, atheist) are certainly not being indoctrinated! What a ridiculous and ignorant statement! Israeli curriculum in schools teaches what people in the uk learn. They use Arab names as well as others in text books
  2. No jew I know thinks that they are chosen. That’s an antisemitic trope
  3. BDS isn’t a thing anywhere but Israel. Why not Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Russia? If you wish to truly boycott Israeli goods then say goodbye to swallow cams (that diagnose colorectal cancer non invasive), eye tracking devices (for paralysed people to communicate), insulin pumps, GPS devices, and many other things I can’t be bothered to list
  4. Israelis on the whole (not including extremists which exist in all countries) are protesting weekly to overthrow Netanyahu - he was never even elected (think of past Conservative leaders) and certainly don’t support the continuation of war.

NB Hamas targeted border communities which were largely left wing. The kibbutz massacres destroyed infrastructure that was put in place to transport Gazans into Israel to work or get medical treatment. Most of them were Meretz voters.. you couldn’t find a political party more opposed to Likud.
Your comment is one sided, hateful and inaccurate, and of course while I agree that the devastation in Gaza is appalling, what Israelis are subject to daily is also terrible, but nobody gives a shit about them.

Itscoldinside · 05/06/2025 18:22

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 18:13

  1. The Israelis (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze, Baha’i, Jain, atheist) are certainly not being indoctrinated! What a ridiculous and ignorant statement! Israeli curriculum in schools teaches what people in the uk learn. They use Arab names as well as others in text books
  2. No jew I know thinks that they are chosen. That’s an antisemitic trope
  3. BDS isn’t a thing anywhere but Israel. Why not Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Russia? If you wish to truly boycott Israeli goods then say goodbye to swallow cams (that diagnose colorectal cancer non invasive), eye tracking devices (for paralysed people to communicate), insulin pumps, GPS devices, and many other things I can’t be bothered to list
  4. Israelis on the whole (not including extremists which exist in all countries) are protesting weekly to overthrow Netanyahu - he was never even elected (think of past Conservative leaders) and certainly don’t support the continuation of war.

NB Hamas targeted border communities which were largely left wing. The kibbutz massacres destroyed infrastructure that was put in place to transport Gazans into Israel to work or get medical treatment. Most of them were Meretz voters.. you couldn’t find a political party more opposed to Likud.
Your comment is one sided, hateful and inaccurate, and of course while I agree that the devastation in Gaza is appalling, what Israelis are subject to daily is also terrible, but nobody gives a shit about them.

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Well said. It feels like some spout what they have seen on X and aren't aware of the full picture. Soundbites.

Stripes56 · 05/06/2025 19:18

@Jujujudo @Itscoldinside

“Israelis on the whole (not including extremists which exist in all countries) are protesting weekly to overthrow Netanyahu - he was never even elected (think of past Conservative leaders) and certainly don’t support the continuation of war.”

What do you think of the results of the Pennsylvania Uni poll? See link below. Extreme support for ethnic cleansing and majority support for killing of Palestinians when IDF capture their cities.

Other countries where there have been concerns about breaking international law have financial sanctions placed on them by countries- don’t need citizens to boycott. You can search the list online. EU now considering this for Israel.

Netanyahu was able to get a majority for his gov by linking in with right wing parties. This coalition must have support of the majority of the population?
He has been PM for nearly 2 decades in total.

https://archive.is/QvrVu

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 19:25

Stripes56 · 05/06/2025 19:18

@Jujujudo @Itscoldinside

“Israelis on the whole (not including extremists which exist in all countries) are protesting weekly to overthrow Netanyahu - he was never even elected (think of past Conservative leaders) and certainly don’t support the continuation of war.”

What do you think of the results of the Pennsylvania Uni poll? See link below. Extreme support for ethnic cleansing and majority support for killing of Palestinians when IDF capture their cities.

Other countries where there have been concerns about breaking international law have financial sanctions placed on them by countries- don’t need citizens to boycott. You can search the list online. EU now considering this for Israel.

Netanyahu was able to get a majority for his gov by linking in with right wing parties. This coalition must have support of the majority of the population?
He has been PM for nearly 2 decades in total.

https://archive.is/QvrVu

Well you obviously know so much more than I do, because the internet is more accurate than the lived experience of a Jew and/or Israeli. Your comments are biased and one sided and don’t warrant a reply.

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 19:27

Stripes56 · 05/06/2025 07:54

The settlements are continuing at pace and it will be ordinary Israeli citizens that live there. This is considered illegal by most other countries.

82% of Israeli citizens believe in ethnic cleansing of Gaza. This would be illegal.

56% believe all Palestinians should be expelled - illegal.

47% believe that when the IDF captures a city - all its inhabitants should be killed! Genocide?

Even secular Israeli back this:
69% supported the expulsion of Gazans
31% consider Joshua's extermination of Jericho's residents as a precedent that the IDF should adopt

The survey done by Pennsylvania uni.

archive.is/QvrVu

I don’t know one Israeli that took part in this survey. Not one.

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 19:30

Badh · 05/06/2025 07:10

Yes I absolutely do. Targeting a civilian population like this is always wrong - no matter who is doing it or who is suffering.

I wouldn’t consider economic sanctions to be in the same league though.

Israeli Citizens are targeted by Houthi missiles EVERY day. They are fired into the centre of the country towards densely populated civilian towns. Every single day. The only reason tens of thousands of Israelis aren’t dying is because of an excellent defence system and safe rooms.

GlutesthatSalute · 05/06/2025 19:34

Muslims wishing (economic, and every other kind of) destruction on Israel? Stop the presses. That's a new one.

izthiszeend · 05/06/2025 19:36

The sanctions are long overdue.
Shame the government is so late and so supportive of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 19:38

Stripes56 · 05/06/2025 07:54

The settlements are continuing at pace and it will be ordinary Israeli citizens that live there. This is considered illegal by most other countries.

82% of Israeli citizens believe in ethnic cleansing of Gaza. This would be illegal.

56% believe all Palestinians should be expelled - illegal.

47% believe that when the IDF captures a city - all its inhabitants should be killed! Genocide?

Even secular Israeli back this:
69% supported the expulsion of Gazans
31% consider Joshua's extermination of Jericho's residents as a precedent that the IDF should adopt

The survey done by Pennsylvania uni.

archive.is/QvrVu

This survey interviewed 1000 Israelis. There are around 10m of them. That’s 0.01% of the population. But you know that, which is why it’s even more sinister that you’re using it as any viable indicator of how Israelis actually think.
But it’s so easy to believe that 47% of Jews Israelis want a genocide. Because you see us as inhuman. Rats. Insert alternative trope

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 19:40

izthiszeend · 05/06/2025 19:36

The sanctions are long overdue.
Shame the government is so late and so supportive of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Uhuh. What about the actual crimes of humanity against the Israeli citizens? Or are they all just expendable demons in this little propaganda bubble you’ve created for yourself?

Jujujudo · 05/06/2025 19:41

GlutesthatSalute · 05/06/2025 19:34

Muslims wishing (economic, and every other kind of) destruction on Israel? Stop the presses. That's a new one.

Not just Muslims sadly. What a world we live in where it’s perfectly acceptable to justify racism against Jews because of Israel. But perfectly abominable to try to justify any other kind of racism.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 05/06/2025 19:42

I’d like to see them go much further. That government is Israel are despicable and behave illegally. They are literally criminals and are now hiring criminals to work for them in Gaza, as they have been forced to admit.