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Conflict in the Middle East

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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ssd · 22/05/2025 22:05

This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza? | Arwa Mahdawi

When future generations read about Gaza with horror and wonder how we allowed a livestreamed genocide to happen, what will you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

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ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 27/05/2025 14:27

SharonEllis · 27/05/2025 13:59

You must be joking. A. How on earth do you know that B. Try asking people on one of these marches, which river, which sea, explain the history of zionism. Go on, I dare you.

Go on, I dare you.
Are you in kindergarten

A. How on earth do you know that
It's an opinion based on posts here and what I hear in every day life when the current conflict is being discussed. I am not talking about antisemites, I am talking about most people who have an issue with the current Israeli government supported illegal expansion. I have no interest in speaking to extremists on marches I was not referring to them I was referring to people such as the poster you were responding to.

UsernamesAreTaken · 27/05/2025 14:35

inamarina · 27/05/2025 13:43

So 1200 people being brutally murdered (36 of them children) wouldn’t be considered shocking, but 1200 plus 40 babies would?

That's not what I said. I meant more killing of innocent people is not ok.

UsernamesAreTaken · 27/05/2025 14:55

SharonEllis · 27/05/2025 13:36

This is completely wrong. Zionism is simply the belief in a Jewish homeland in Israel. The vast majority of Jews are zionists. It goes back way way before the pogroms of the 19th century.

Zionism as a political movement is separate to the zionism which is at the heart of Judaism.

It is egregious misinformation to pretend zionist is not a code for Jews. Of course it is, and widely documented.

It's documented that there are Jews who opposed zionism, and many who opposed it now - whether orthodox or not.

You say homeland in Israel - what's happened is that the local indigenous population has been ethnically cleansed to create that state.

Ferretedaway · 27/05/2025 15:06

we DO know what is happening in Gaza, and whilst its obviously not anywhere near the horrors and scale of the holocaust, it feels we are sitting back and letting it happen. And i feel helpless and guilty im doing

And we also know what is going on in Yemen. without the billions of pounds worth of arms the UK sells to the Saudi led coalition, the war couldn’t have continued. What have you done about that?

We know what’s going on in Ukraine . We have only ever supplied Ukraine with enough arms to continue fighting but not the ones needed to meaningfully repel Putin. What have you done about that ?

We ARE helpless. All of us. The marching, the placards, the threads about this - all useless. All we can really do is treat everyone around us with respect and fairness, regardless of faith, colour, heritage. Stand up to racism, don’t stereotype or generalise. Teach our kids the same.

UsernamesAreTaken · 27/05/2025 15:15

Ferretedaway · 27/05/2025 15:06

we DO know what is happening in Gaza, and whilst its obviously not anywhere near the horrors and scale of the holocaust, it feels we are sitting back and letting it happen. And i feel helpless and guilty im doing

And we also know what is going on in Yemen. without the billions of pounds worth of arms the UK sells to the Saudi led coalition, the war couldn’t have continued. What have you done about that?

We know what’s going on in Ukraine . We have only ever supplied Ukraine with enough arms to continue fighting but not the ones needed to meaningfully repel Putin. What have you done about that ?

We ARE helpless. All of us. The marching, the placards, the threads about this - all useless. All we can really do is treat everyone around us with respect and fairness, regardless of faith, colour, heritage. Stand up to racism, don’t stereotype or generalise. Teach our kids the same.

We should treat each other with respect AND do what we can..

If it wasn't for the activism the media today wouldn't have started challenging propaganda that we see on tv

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/05/2025 15:37

UsernamesAreTaken · 27/05/2025 15:15

We should treat each other with respect AND do what we can..

If it wasn't for the activism the media today wouldn't have started challenging propaganda that we see on tv

”If it wasn't for the activism the media today wouldn't have started challenging propaganda that we see on tv”

The “activists” are also guilty of spreading propaganda.

Yes - We should do what we can if you mean supporting charities that help Palestinians ( without allowing Hamas to divert aid intended for civilians)
No - we should not do what we can if you mean allow ourselves to become useful idiots for terrorists by spreading their propaganda message.

UsernamesAreTaken · 27/05/2025 16:26

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/05/2025 15:37

”If it wasn't for the activism the media today wouldn't have started challenging propaganda that we see on tv”

The “activists” are also guilty of spreading propaganda.

Yes - We should do what we can if you mean supporting charities that help Palestinians ( without allowing Hamas to divert aid intended for civilians)
No - we should not do what we can if you mean allow ourselves to become useful idiots for terrorists by spreading their propaganda message.

Of course you use your judgement on what to share. That goes without sayibg. Not everything from Palestine is propaganda.

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/05/2025 16:48

UsernamesAreTaken · 27/05/2025 16:26

Of course you use your judgement on what to share. That goes without sayibg. Not everything from Palestine is propaganda.

No - I absolutely agree that not everything is propaganda. We have clear evidence of many many terrible things in Gaza. Netanyahu has much to answer for . I hope he faces justice for his part in the suffering of innocent Palestinians.

However if we are not properly informed/ if we haven’t read balanced reports - it can be difficult to “use our own judgment “ .

The Guardian article in the OP post is not balanced ( for example)

KittyPup · 27/05/2025 18:37

UsernamesAreTaken · 27/05/2025 13:14

History did not begin on Oct 7th

Israeli has been murdering innocent Palestinians for decades.

No, it didn’t. However, this part of history is a direct result of October 7th. Or do we forget that what is happening now is as a consequence of Hamas murdering and raping innocent Jews?

Hamas have murdered many Israelis too over the years. They also cause harm to innocent Gazans by living among civilians and bringing them into the bloodbath.

ssd · 27/05/2025 18:43

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/05/2025 16:48

No - I absolutely agree that not everything is propaganda. We have clear evidence of many many terrible things in Gaza. Netanyahu has much to answer for . I hope he faces justice for his part in the suffering of innocent Palestinians.

However if we are not properly informed/ if we haven’t read balanced reports - it can be difficult to “use our own judgment “ .

The Guardian article in the OP post is not balanced ( for example)

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The guardian article is an excellent piece of journalism. That's why i posted it. Its thought provoking and heart breaking at the same time.

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ssd · 27/05/2025 18:45

KittyPup · 27/05/2025 18:37

No, it didn’t. However, this part of history is a direct result of October 7th. Or do we forget that what is happening now is as a consequence of Hamas murdering and raping innocent Jews?

Hamas have murdered many Israelis too over the years. They also cause harm to innocent Gazans by living among civilians and bringing them into the bloodbath.

No one has caused more harm to innocent Gazans than Israeli weapons.

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KittyPup · 27/05/2025 18:53

ssd · 27/05/2025 18:45

No one has caused more harm to innocent Gazans than Israeli weapons.

The same can be said about Hamas weapons and soldiers to innocent Israelis, can it not? Was the murder of 1200 on October 7th not harmful? Or does it not matter because they’re Jews?

HellsBalls · 27/05/2025 19:19

ssd · 27/05/2025 18:45

No one has caused more harm to innocent Gazans than Israeli weapons.

No one has caused more harm to innocent Gazans than Hamas.

inamarina · 27/05/2025 19:37

ssd · 27/05/2025 18:43

The guardian article is an excellent piece of journalism. That's why i posted it. Its thought provoking and heart breaking at the same time.

I don’t find that Guardian piece balanced at all.
The writer portrays Israel as the sole aggressor and ignores Hamas's role in initiating the conflict on October 7th (as well as their documented aid diversion practices).

Interestingly, the only time the article mentions Hamas at all is in the context of the refuted claim about the beheaded babies.

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/05/2025 19:44

ssd · 27/05/2025 18:43

The guardian article is an excellent piece of journalism. That's why i posted it. Its thought provoking and heart breaking at the same time.

It’s not an excellent piece of journalism. But of course our hearts break when we read about the terrible suffering of the innocent Palestinians.

OpheliaWasntMad · 27/05/2025 19:55

The problem with the piece you claim is “excellent “ is that it doesn’t acknowledge the link between Hamas and Iran as well as acknowledging the role Hamas played in terrorising any opposition they faced from Palestinians in Gaza.

The ordinary Palestinians have been terribly mistreated by right wing Israeli settlers .
Netanayu’s government is racist against Palestinians.
Iran is funding Hamas in order to destabilise the region and gain power.
Most Israelis just want to live their life in a country that respects their values .
Most Palestinians just want to live their life in a country that respects their values.

The interference is coming from malign elements.
Let’s support the ordinary people on both sides

Sofiewoo · 27/05/2025 19:55

KittyPup · 27/05/2025 18:37

No, it didn’t. However, this part of history is a direct result of October 7th. Or do we forget that what is happening now is as a consequence of Hamas murdering and raping innocent Jews?

Hamas have murdered many Israelis too over the years. They also cause harm to innocent Gazans by living among civilians and bringing them into the bloodbath.

If Hamas are to blame for the attacks on Palestinian civilians when why are Israel not to blame for the deaths of Israeli civilians due to their part in the conflict?
You can’t possibly absolve one side from any wrong doing whatsoever. Atrocities have been committed on both sides and there will never be a peaceful political solution when people can’t acknowledge that.

ssd · 27/05/2025 19:58

The article tells the truth. Maybe thats unpalatable to some on here.

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inamarina · 27/05/2025 20:26

ssd · 27/05/2025 19:58

The article tells the truth. Maybe thats unpalatable to some on here.

How can yon say it tells the truth if it barely mentions Hamas?
It tells part of the truth, conveniently omitting the rest.

Odras · 27/05/2025 22:16

Sofiewoo · 27/05/2025 19:55

If Hamas are to blame for the attacks on Palestinian civilians when why are Israel not to blame for the deaths of Israeli civilians due to their part in the conflict?
You can’t possibly absolve one side from any wrong doing whatsoever. Atrocities have been committed on both sides and there will never be a peaceful political solution when people can’t acknowledge that.

I agree. It’s a completely nonsensical argument. Surely each group is responsible for their own actions.

UsernamesAreTaken · 28/05/2025 08:50

HellsBalls · 27/05/2025 19:19

No one has caused more harm to innocent Gazans than Hamas.

It was the IDF who killed Hind Rajab, the red crescent medics, the list goes on. As well as sexually abuse Palestinians.

UsernamesAreTaken · 28/05/2025 08:52

The point of the article is about getting people to think about what we would do in this scenario.

dairydebris · 28/05/2025 08:57

UsernamesAreTaken · 28/05/2025 08:52

The point of the article is about getting people to think about what we would do in this scenario.

I think the point of that article was to stir up emotion, rather than present facts and encourage rational thinking. I'd argue we need more of the latter and less of the former in this situation.

SharonEllis · 28/05/2025 09:36

dairydebris · 28/05/2025 08:57

I think the point of that article was to stir up emotion, rather than present facts and encourage rational thinking. I'd argue we need more of the latter and less of the former in this situation.

This.

SharonEllis · 28/05/2025 09:41

UsernamesAreTaken · 28/05/2025 08:50

It was the IDF who killed Hind Rajab, the red crescent medics, the list goes on. As well as sexually abuse Palestinians.

And who repressed the gazans for the last 20 odd years - who murdered those that objected? Who radicalised a whole generation to perpetrate and celebrate the 7 October attacks? Who declared war without investing in ANY i frastructure to protect civilians? And in fact embedded their military equipment and personnel in civilian infastructure? Who uses child soldiers/messengers? Its easy to pick out individual tragedies but it is manipulative. It doesnt help to understand the bigger picture.

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