What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

It’s nothing to do with Islamophobia. Your comment shows that you consider criticism of Israel to be criticism of all Jewish people.

And a lot of people have been trying to make this point - that legitimate criticism of Israel is being called antisemitic.

That you struggle to differentiate between religion, ethnicity and nationality. Maybe instead of accusing me of something ridiculous you can explain why you thought boycotting Israeli businesses because of the Israeli governments actions is the same thing as boycotting all Muslim businesses because of something in Pakistan? I'd be really interested to know your thinking on that one.

We are 2 years in and Hamas shows no signs of being destroyed, just contained.
So how many more Palestinians have to die? another 50? 500k? 1m? all of them?

For those that support this "war" what number is acceptable or too many to stomach?

Hamas have been hugely weakened militarily and may yet surrender or offer a deal that Israel can accept. They can no longer enjoy the control they once held in Gaza, locals are started to protest against them and there are media reports saying they can no longer afford to keep paying their soldiers. So I don’t agree with your idea that there is “no sign” of them being destroyed.

As to how many more Palestinians have to die, that is not something I have any say over. I’m very much hoping that the Hamas leadership shortly agree to return the hostages, put down their arms and leave Gaza. If they did that there would be huge international pressure on Netanyahu to sign a ceasefire agreement & I think he would.

So what’s your solution to end this war then?

Give Hamas what they want?

The annihilation of Israel as a state and Islamic superiority over the land - from the river to sea?

That is what they want btw.

They don’t care how many of their own people die in the process.

What do you think that will show other groups who call for Islamic caliphates in other countries, and the whole world, including the West?

This

💯 this.

Well, i asked the question on acceptable numbers to be killed and there we have it... the number is unlimited, so long as the goal is achieved.

"Give Hamas what they want?" have you not heard of "Peace negotiations?" as used in NI, South Africa, Korea - at least the fighting stopped and Namibia, which happened when i was there, working for the UNTAG force.

Talks between bitter enemies, intent on each others destruction can work, not always of course.

So what you seem to be saying is that the war should continue until Hamas surrender regardless of how many Palestinians die.

What is the plan if Hamas surrender by the way? I don’t believe there is one.

@Alexandra2001 ”We are 2 years in and Hamas shows no signs of being destroyed, just contained.”

Estimates up to 30,000 Hamas terrorists dead. Can’t be sure but Hamas (estimates)numbered 40,000 before the war.
Maybe Netanyahu thinks another 6 months will do it?

Netanyahu wont sign a ceasefire, the stated policy is to remove Palestinians from Gaza and that wont change, the only pressure he would respond too is from Trump plus when the war ends, so does his government and him... he has no interest in seeing it end at all.

As to Hamas being destroyed, no they are not, they may well be weakened immensely but as an idea/ideology, they are alive and kicking...perhaps stronger than ever, in terms of recruits, they are fluid, its like a Hydra... kill one Hamas terrorist and 2 replace him/her, they may not have missiles and weapons - yet! - but it is their hearts.

Some Palestinians will seek revenge on Israel for evermore and throughout the world too.

@HellsBalls But Blinken pointed out every Hamas member killed was replaced. That was after the first ceasefire.

It's not that I think the war "should" continue until Hamas surrender but more that it seems likely that it will do because all attempts to end the war via diplomatic talks have so far failed.

I would prefer the end could be negotiated diplomatically rather than through continued fighting though as that would save many lives.

Estimates from whom?

53k total dead, you believe over 50% are Hamas?

IDF say around 25k, Hamas say 8k... the figure is between these two estimates.

Does not include new recruits to that organisation....

I agree Netanyahu probably won't sign a ceasefire until he achieves all or at least the majority of his war aims.

Israel are winning the war so there is less incentive for him to give concessions than for Hamas to do so. As I've said before, if Hamas agreed to return the hostages & stop fighting, Netanyahu would face immense pressure from his international allies like Trump to sign a ceasefire deal.

Hiw do you know the figure is between those two estimates? That suggests you give equal weight to Hamas's figure.

Unless the US pressures Israel into talks, it wont happen, Trump has moved from Ukraine & his mate Putin, from Gaza - in the 'can't be solved bin' and is now protecting SA farmers from "genocide"

These other conflicts will continue now, unabated... the end result, is Russia takes all of Ukraine over the next 18 to 24 months and Israel removes all Palestinians from Gaza, probably within 12 months.

Pray to God i'm wrong about both.

I don't know for certain, thats true, however independent analysis has put the figures closer to the Hamas number.

I would expect both to under and over estimate.

Recently Haaretz reported that the IDF said 20,000 Hamas fighters dead 7,000 imprisoned.

According to estimates, the IDF killed 20,000 terrorists during the war and took some 7,000 Gazans as security prisoners
(Haaretz May 22)

archive.ph/2025.05.22-012945/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-22/ty-article/.premium/the-spoils-of-war-israel-confiscated-100m-shekels-in-cash-5-600-guns-since-october-7/00000196-f4ec-de64-a7f6-fcfd871d0000

Even if that's true and I don't know if it is, the new recruits will be young, inexperienced & untrained. Not comparable to the experienced men and leaders that have been killed.

Hamas have been losing their leadership one by one and without their leaders they are just a violent rabble with no strategic plans.

there is no genocide in Gaza

Which independent analysis?

There is according to the Lemkin institute of Genocide.

The lemkin institute is not a particularly credible organisation (it has tried to maintain that the gender critical movement is genocidal FFS - beliefs that in this country have been ruled worthy 'of respect in a democratic society', regardless of whether you agree, hardly genocidal) and has no legal authority.

It’s the same thing. It’s punishing a certain population just like you and me for the actions of a country’s government. Imagine if the UK started bombing Russia and killing thousands and people stopped buying uk products! It’s affects individuals trying to make a living! Taxes go to health care, education etc as well as war! It doesn’t hurt the government by boycotting it hurts the regular person with a family trying to earn a living. There are millions of Israelis totally against their government, weekly protests and campaigns, how does boycotting their businesses make any change?
Also, if religion and ethnicity etc are different, how do you describe Jews? I am ethnically Jewish, I’m not white. I am part of a religion but I’m completely secular. Your comments are emotional and I understand your intention, but as a Jew with Israeli family it feels very personal and borderline offensive. Best wishes.