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US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

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Twiglets1 · 10/05/2025 06:12

The US has confirmed that a new system for providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza through private companies is being prepared, as Israel's blockade continues for a third month.

US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said "distribution centres" protected by security contractors would provide food and other supplies to over a million people initially, as part of an effort to prevent Hamas stealing aid.

He denied Israel would take part in aid delivery or distribution, but said its forces would secure the centres' perimeters.

It comes as details emerged about the controversial plan, which UN agencies have reiterated they will not co-operate with because it appears to "weaponize" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

Palestinian receive food cooked by a charity kitchen in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza Strip (8 May 2025)

US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

UN agencies say they will not co-operate with the proposed system because it appears to "weaponise" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

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“Not This” Isn’t Strategy—It’s Surrender to Hamas’s Propaganda War

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“Not this” has become the lazy refrain of those too uninformed—or too afraid—to confront the actual nature of modern war. It’s the moral shrug of commentators unwilling to grapple with facts, history, or the operational realities of Gaza. “Not this” doesn’t reflect legal analysis, strategic insight, or lived combat experience. It’s a performance. A rejection of responsibility dressed up as moral clarity.
Piers Morgan is just the latest public figure to offer this empty diagnosis. He recently declared that “Israel’s current strategy is failing.” But what does that mean? Failing by what metric? Based on whose objectives?
Wars are not judged by feelings. They are judged by facts—by the political and military objectives of each side and the extent to which they are achieved. On those terms, it is Hamas—not Israel—that is failing catastrophically.
Hamas began this war with three supporting objectives:

  1. Survive the war and be celebrated as the terror group that conducted the October 7 massacre and endured Israel’s response.
  2. Maintain military capability to continue its stated mission: destroy Israel and kill Jews worldwide.
  3. Retain governing power over Gaza, subjugating Palestinians while siphoning billions in international aid to support objective #2.
Hamas is failing on all three counts. It has lost the ability to fight as an organized military force. Its five brigades, 24 battalions, and 30,000–40,000 trained fighters—armed with over 20,000 rockets and extensive control of terrain—have been decimated. Fewer than three original commanders from Hamas’s military or political leadership in Gaza remain. From top leaders like Yahya Sinwar, Mohammad Deif, and Marwan Issa, to nearly every brigade and battalion commander, the senior command structure has been eliminated. That level of leadership, experience, and ideological fanaticism cannot be replaced. What remains is a fragmented guerrilla force made up mostly of radicalized youths, with little training, no real command structure, and declining access to weapons. The average Hamas replacement fighter is now in their teens. Hamas has also lost political ground. Gazans are increasingly protesting and speaking out against them. Their control over food distribution—once a key lever of power—has been eroded by U.S.-Israeli humanitarian mechanisms, including the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which bypass Hamas entirely. Their senior military and political leaders are being systematically eliminated. The group’s grip on the population is slipping. By contrast, Israel’s goals are clear:
  1. Return the hostages.
  2. Destroy Hamas as a military force and governing body.
  3. Ensure that no force in Gaza can ever again threaten Israeli citizens.
Israel has already returned 198 of 251 hostages. It has dismantled Hamas’s ability to wage coordinated military operations. It has reclaimed strategic terrain and pushed Hamas underground—literally. No force in Gaza currently has the capability to project meaningful attacks into Israeli territory. Israel has also defanged and deterred Hezbollah in Lebanon, secured its northern border, contributed to the effective overthrow of Assad’s regime and destroyed the conventional military capabilities in Syria, destroyed critical Iranian-linked weapons systems, defended Israeli Druze communities, and demonstrated both military superiority and restraint across seven simultaneous fronts. This is what strategic success looks like in modern war: steady progress under impossible conditions, constrained by international scrutiny and unprecedented operational complexity. But progress is not victory. While Israel’s strategy in Gaza has made undeniable headway—despite operating under immense political and operational constraints—much work remains. For two years, Israel’s ability to prepare for or respond to the Hamas threat was systematically hindered by international actors. The previous U.S. administration blocked key weapons transfers, urged Israel not to enter Rafah, and imposed constraints on the size of its combat force, the pace of operations, and even the types of weapons it could employ. It also forced operational pauses tied to humanitarian initiatives based on flawed or manipulated data—like the now-failed humanitarian pier, which proved a costly and ineffective effort. The United Nations refused to provide meaningful assistance. And many governments applied constant diplomatic pressure while offering no viable alternative to defeating Hamas. Despite these constraints, Israel has adapted, recalibrated, and steadily advanced its mission. But military success alone is not enough. For Hamas to be fully defeated and Gaza to be stabilized, several critical objectives must still be achieved. First, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation—a U.S.-Israeli initiative that bypasses Hamas and delivers aid directly to civilians—must be expanded. It is one of the few working models that weakens Hamas’s control over the population while upholding humanitarian obligations. Second, Hamas fighters must be either killed or captured. No reconciliation or rebuilding can begin while armed militants remain embedded among civilians. This requires not just raids or airstrikes, but methodical terrain clearance—followed by physical occupation and holding of that ground to prevent Hamas from reconstituting. Third, a credible alternative to Hamas must take root. A new power must assume administrative, security, and political control of cleared areas. Without that, Hamas—or something worse—will fill the vacuum. Only then can the longer-term work begin: deradicalization programs, reconciliation efforts, weapons buyback initiatives, and continued destruction of military infrastructure. All of this must drive toward one goal—the complete demilitarization of the Gaza Strip. Victory in this war will not be marked solely by battlefield success, but by who governs Gaza afterward, how the people are treated, and whether another October 7 is made impossible. And yet, critics like Piers Morgan keep hand-waving it away with the refrain: “Not this.” It’s an empty phrase designed to appease feelings rather than address facts. It makes no effort to understand what Israel is up against—an entrenched enemy that uses human shields as doctrine, hides in hospitals and schools, and builds tunnels under refugee camps. The most dangerous part of “Not this” isn’t just its ignorance. It’s how easily it aligns with Hamas’s propaganda strategy. Hamas knows it cannot win militarily. So it fights through information warfare. Its primary weapon isn’t rockets—it’s casualty statistics. It floods the world with numbers, knowing that most people will never question their origin or reliability. This is why the so-called Gaza Health Ministry—a Hamas-controlled body—releases death tolls without distinguishing between combatants and civilians, between Israeli fire and Hamas misfires, between war deaths and unrelated fatalities. They count indiscriminately and present the figure as evidence of Israeli wrongdoing. But as analysts and independent investigations have repeatedly shown, these numbers are riddled with errors. They do not account for: • Civilians killed by misfired Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad rockets. • Civilians who died of illness, accidents, or natural causes. • Combatants, including child soldiers and women engaged in hostilities. It is absurd to claim—especially in the chaos of war—that every name on a casualty list can be neatly categorized as civilian or combatant. It is even more absurd to assume that everyone under 18 is a “child” in the legal or moral sense. Hamas actively recruits fighters as young as 14. Women are used in combat roles, weapons transport, surveillance, and even hostage holding. And here's a critical point: even if we were to take Hamas’s numbers at face value—which we should not—Israel would still have one of the lowest civilian-to-combatant casualty ratios in any comparable war or urban battle in modern history. But that’s not the point. The laws of war do not determine legality by body counts. They judge based on intent, military necessity, the value of the target, and whether all feasible precautions were taken to avoid civilian harm. The principle of proportionality requires that the expected harm to civilians must not be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. It is a forward-looking judgment—not a backward assessment based on outcomes. And in war, not all military advantages are equal. In a war of survival—where a nation is defending its population, its territory, and its right to exist—the value of military objectives is correspondingly higher. That is fundamentally different from the counterinsurgency and counterterrorism campaigns the West has fought for the past two decades in distant lands, far from its own cities and civilians. Israel is fighting an enemy just kilometers from its borders, one that has already carried out the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. That existential context matters. It shapes the military calculus, and it must shape how the world applies the laws of war. To judge wars solely by casualty ratios is to hand a blueprint to every terrorist organization on earth: embed within civilians, provoke a response, inflate the death toll, and let the world do the rest. It would make lawful self-defense functionally impossible—especially for democracies. Hamas knows this. It’s why they built Gaza for war. It’s why they operate from hospitals, mosques, and UN schools. It’s why they don't distinguish their fighters in death. Civilian deaths aren’t a tragic byproduct for Hamas—they are a strategic asset. The belief that Hamas could be destroyed without bloodshed is not just naïve—it’s dangerous. It sets a standard no military on earth can meet, especially when facing an enemy that does everything possible to ensure civilian deaths. If October 7 had happened in the U.S., the UK, or any NATO country, the response would have been swift, overwhelming, and just. The only difference is that Israel has fewer tools and more constraints—yet continues to comply with the laws of armed conflict while taking unprecedented steps to protect civilians. “Not this” is not a strategy. It’s not analysis. And it’s not serious. It is the language of those too comfortable to confront the real cost of defending a free people from genocidal enemies. And every time it’s repeated, it plays directly into Hamas’s hands. John Spencer is executive director of the Urban Warfare Institute . He is the coauthor of Understanding Urban Warfare"

I pasted it since not everyone likes X.

He's correct. War is brutal and just because we didn't see the drip of X, Insta and tic toc in previous wars doesn't mean they weren't.

Perhaps nowadays war is thought in PR and the unformed masses with their opinions rather than military strategies. Hamas is winning a PR war if the soundbites that I read on here are anything to go by. Someone on X says something and thousands and more repeat or retreat it as if factual.

https://x.com/SpencerGuard/status/1930656968726725054/analytics

MayMadness2025 · 06/06/2025 08:44

The crucial point.

"Not this” is not a strategy. It’s not analysis. And it’s not serious. It is the language of those too comfortable to confront the real cost of defending a free people from genocidal enemies. And every time it’s repeated, it plays directly into Hamas’s hands."

Freedom from terrorists comes at a cost.

Whatsinanamehey · 06/06/2025 10:05

The majority of Gazans who are celebrating Eid today are left without food as GHF have closed all sites until further notice.

dairydebris · 06/06/2025 10:23

AIBUHere · 05/06/2025 21:08

Just came across this very interesting article by a military expert who actually knows what he’s talking about…………………

Wonder if there are any thoughts about it on here?

https://x.com/SpencerGuard/status/1930656968726725054

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Spencer_(military_officer)

Thanks for posting. Aligns with a lot of my thoughts. Should be required reading for anyone who answers 'not this' to the question of what Israel should be doing post October 7. Along with required reading on other conflicts around the world and how civilians have been affected by those conflicts.

Twiglets1 · 06/06/2025 10:51

Whatsinanamehey · 06/06/2025 10:05

The majority of Gazans who are celebrating Eid today are left without food as GHF have closed all sites until further notice.

I'll link the source for you - Times of Israel:

The Israel- and US-backed-Gaza Humanitarian Foundation says that all its aid distribution sites in the enclave are once again closed and a reopening date will be announced later, urging residents to stay away from these sites “for their safety.”

Work at the sites was halted in the latter half of this week in response to a series of deadly shootings close to the operations, but two sites in the Rafah area were reopened yesterday afternoon, and GHF said it had distributed almost 25,000 boxes of food once they were.

It said 18,240 boxes of food were delivered at the Tel Sultan “Swedish village” site, which is closing down, and 6,720 were picked up at the new site in the nearby Saudi neighborhood.

The latest closure notice coincides with the first day of the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-june-06-2025/

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AIBUHere · 06/06/2025 10:58

Twiglets1 · 06/06/2025 10:51

I'll link the source for you - Times of Israel:

The Israel- and US-backed-Gaza Humanitarian Foundation says that all its aid distribution sites in the enclave are once again closed and a reopening date will be announced later, urging residents to stay away from these sites “for their safety.”

Work at the sites was halted in the latter half of this week in response to a series of deadly shootings close to the operations, but two sites in the Rafah area were reopened yesterday afternoon, and GHF said it had distributed almost 25,000 boxes of food once they were.

It said 18,240 boxes of food were delivered at the Tel Sultan “Swedish village” site, which is closing down, and 6,720 were picked up at the new site in the nearby Saudi neighborhood.

The latest closure notice coincides with the first day of the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-june-06-2025/

How disgusting that there is no outrage that Hamas engineered this to try to prevent their loss of revenue and control over Gaza.

quantumbutterfly · 06/06/2025 11:10

quantumbutterfly · 29/05/2025 09:54

So the UN can distribute aid alongside the new system. Good to know.

Is this still the case?

Twiglets1 · 06/06/2025 11:21

quantumbutterfly · 06/06/2025 11:10

Is this still the case?

I don't know.

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quantumbutterfly · 06/06/2025 11:55

Twiglets1 · 06/06/2025 11:21

I don't know.

Thanks for answering, and apologies for leaning too much on your research.🙂 Your input is always informative.

Whatsinanamehey · 06/06/2025 12:52

AIBUHere · 06/06/2025 10:58

How disgusting that there is no outrage that Hamas engineered this to try to prevent their loss of revenue and control over Gaza.

Engineered what? Engineered the IDF to shoot and kill innocent Palestinians? Do the IDF have no agency over this?

sualipa · 06/06/2025 13:09

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 05/06/2025 17:28

The armed gangs are not a current threat to the IDF if they are temporarily allies and all working to defeat Hamas.
They are a threat to innocent Palestinians and supported by the IDF. How can you say armed gangs stealing aid and terrorising innocent people propped up by the IDF and Netanyahu is not an issue?

But I don’t see how it’s that linked to the aid distribution units?
Yes do read up on it because I don't think you've grasped at all what's been happening

Smell likes the Phalangists who raped and massacred in the Sabra and Shatila massacres - Hamas have along way to go till they equal one of the IDF's previous alliances of convenience.

On 17 September, while Sabra and Shatila still were sealed off, a few independent observers managed to enter. Among them were a Norwegian journalist and diplomat Gunnar Flakstad, who observed Phalangists during their cleanup operations, removing dead bodies from destroyed houses in the Shatila camp.[74]

Many of the bodies found had been severely mutilated. Young men had been castrated, some were scalped, and some had the Christian cross carved into their bodies.[75]

Janet Lee Stevens, an American journalist, later wrote to her husband, Dr. Franklin Lamb, "I saw dead women in their houses with their skirts up to their waists and their legs spread apart; dozens of young men shot after being lined up against an alley wall; children with their throats slit, a pregnant woman with her stomach chopped open, her eyes still wide open, her blackened face silently screaming in horror; countless babies and toddlers who had been stabbed or ripped apart and who had been thrown into garbage piles."[76]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

Twiglets1 · 06/06/2025 13:17

GHF says two aid centers were open in Rafah today, after saying all distribution points would be closed

Two distribution sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation reopened today, says the Israel- and US-backed organization.

They are now closed, after distributing aid in the two sites in Tel Sultan in the southern city of Rafah.

A report on the day’s activities will be published later in the day, says GHF.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ghf-says-two-aid-centers-were-open-in-rafah-today-after-saying-all-distribution-points-would-be-closed/

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OurStepsWillAlwaysRhyme · 06/06/2025 15:06

Twiglets1 · 06/06/2025 13:17

GHF says two aid centers were open in Rafah today, after saying all distribution points would be closed

Two distribution sites run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation reopened today, says the Israel- and US-backed organization.

They are now closed, after distributing aid in the two sites in Tel Sultan in the southern city of Rafah.

A report on the day’s activities will be published later in the day, says GHF.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ghf-says-two-aid-centers-were-open-in-rafah-today-after-saying-all-distribution-points-would-be-closed/

Let's see how long it takes before the IDF or the Israeli government-funded criminal gangs create more carnage there.

Twiglets1 · 06/06/2025 15:10

OurStepsWillAlwaysRhyme · 06/06/2025 15:06

Let's see how long it takes before the IDF or the Israeli government-funded criminal gangs create more carnage there.

Or even Hamas ... they have been known to create a little chaos too.

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Odras · 06/06/2025 22:35

quantumbutterfly · 06/06/2025 11:10

Is this still the case?

I assume it is. 5 days ago the UN said they were allowed to deliver flour to bakeries only. And we’ve had no further updates on the situation.

I’m going to wager a guess that Israel will continues to to allow the UN to operate in a small way to avoid the blacklash that would happen if they kicked them out entirely. Remember what Netanyahu said about the world would not tolerate images of people starving so that some aid would need to be let in.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 07/06/2025 09:36

Heartbreaking account of a morher shot in the head trying to get food for her children.

”These are not aid distribution points. These are traps set for the people,” he said. “When the shooting begins, you stay down. Someone next to you might get shot or killed, and you can’t even look at them or help them. And when they’re done with their ‘fun’ they open the gates at 6am, and chaos erupts.”

“The soldiers film people fighting over the aid, and once it’s finished, they throw teargas to disperse the crowd. I saw displaced people who couldn’t get any aid picking pasta from the sand.”

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/jun/07/story-of-a-mother-shot-dead-searching-for-food-in-gaza

‘These are traps set for the people’: the story of a mother shot dead searching for food in Gaza

A family is reeling from the killing of a woman who walked for hours to an Israeli-backed distribution point with her son and daughter

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/jun/07/story-of-a-mother-shot-dead-searching-for-food-in-gaza

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 09:59

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 07/06/2025 09:36

Heartbreaking account of a morher shot in the head trying to get food for her children.

”These are not aid distribution points. These are traps set for the people,” he said. “When the shooting begins, you stay down. Someone next to you might get shot or killed, and you can’t even look at them or help them. And when they’re done with their ‘fun’ they open the gates at 6am, and chaos erupts.”

“The soldiers film people fighting over the aid, and once it’s finished, they throw teargas to disperse the crowd. I saw displaced people who couldn’t get any aid picking pasta from the sand.”

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/jun/07/story-of-a-mother-shot-dead-searching-for-food-in-gaza

That is just heartbreaking.

Imagine the decision between the desperation of hunger or the chance of being murdered.

Read a really interesting thing online earlier saying if Israel as a young country had ever been rebuked by its parent (USA) at all for its misdemeanors it would not be the unruly out of control teenager it is now.

ssd · 07/06/2025 11:32

It really is out of control. Something needs done, but Trump is too busy bickering with Musk.

Twiglets1 · 07/06/2025 11:43

ssd · 07/06/2025 11:32

It really is out of control. Something needs done, but Trump is too busy bickering with Musk.

Apparently Hamas have said they are ready to enter a "new, serious" round of talks for a permanent ceasefire.

(I posted a link on the last post of this thread)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5344817-new-ceasefire-agreement?page=4

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Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 12:16

Martymcfly24 · 07/06/2025 09:59

That is just heartbreaking.

Imagine the decision between the desperation of hunger or the chance of being murdered.

Read a really interesting thing online earlier saying if Israel as a young country had ever been rebuked by its parent (USA) at all for its misdemeanors it would not be the unruly out of control teenager it is now.

@RandomWordsThrownTogether

The article is extremely distressing. Her poor poor children. It really puts the decision to use blocking of aid as a war tool into the spotlight by having personal accounts of the impact on individuals.

I have not kept up with all the thread, so not sure if this has already been posted.

CNN published an article where US experts analysed acoustics of videos geolocated to Israeli controlled aid sites and images bullets retrieved of those killed in the attacks, and they point towards Israeli machine guns being used.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/04/middleeast/israel-military-gaza-aid-shooting-intl-invs

Twiglets1 · 07/06/2025 17:28

Times of Israel: Gaza aid group blames threats by Hamas for today’s closure of distribution hubs

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation says it was unable to open its distribution sites today due to threats from Hamas.

The statement doesn’t provide any further information on the threats, but a GHF spokesperson says they were directed at the foundation’s drivers and local Palestinian staff helping operate the distribution sites.

This is the fourth time this week that GHF operations have been disrupted, as the group struggles to get off the ground.

It is the second day that GHF sites have not operated at all, but the first time due to alleged Hamas threats, with the other work stoppages having been related to overcrowding and mass casualty incidents.

“Hamas is the reason hundreds of thousands of hungry Gazans were not fed today,” GHF says in its statement.

“The group issued direct threats against GHF operations. These threats made it impossible to proceed today without putting innocent lives at risk,” the foundation adds.

GHF says Hamas is bent on aid operations returning to the UN-backed mechanisms, which it was able to divert assistance from those in need.
However, the foundation says it is adapting its operations to overcome such threats and resume aid distribution

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gaza-aid-group-blames-threats-by-hamas-for-todays-closure-of-distribution-hubs/

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AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 18:56

Twiglets1 · 07/06/2025 17:28

Times of Israel: Gaza aid group blames threats by Hamas for today’s closure of distribution hubs

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation says it was unable to open its distribution sites today due to threats from Hamas.

The statement doesn’t provide any further information on the threats, but a GHF spokesperson says they were directed at the foundation’s drivers and local Palestinian staff helping operate the distribution sites.

This is the fourth time this week that GHF operations have been disrupted, as the group struggles to get off the ground.

It is the second day that GHF sites have not operated at all, but the first time due to alleged Hamas threats, with the other work stoppages having been related to overcrowding and mass casualty incidents.

“Hamas is the reason hundreds of thousands of hungry Gazans were not fed today,” GHF says in its statement.

“The group issued direct threats against GHF operations. These threats made it impossible to proceed today without putting innocent lives at risk,” the foundation adds.

GHF says Hamas is bent on aid operations returning to the UN-backed mechanisms, which it was able to divert assistance from those in need.
However, the foundation says it is adapting its operations to overcome such threats and resume aid distribution

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gaza-aid-group-blames-threats-by-hamas-for-todays-closure-of-distribution-hubs/

I really think they’ve got their fingers in their ears chanting la la la.

The narrative is that evil Israel is starving people, NOT that they are trying to feed them but their brave resistance fighters, Hamas, are preventing it.

Cannot deviate.

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 19:01

Stripes56 · 07/06/2025 12:16

@RandomWordsThrownTogether

The article is extremely distressing. Her poor poor children. It really puts the decision to use blocking of aid as a war tool into the spotlight by having personal accounts of the impact on individuals.

I have not kept up with all the thread, so not sure if this has already been posted.

CNN published an article where US experts analysed acoustics of videos geolocated to Israeli controlled aid sites and images bullets retrieved of those killed in the attacks, and they point towards Israeli machine guns being used.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/04/middleeast/israel-military-gaza-aid-shooting-intl-invs

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Hamas has stolen IDF weapons and taken them from IDF soldiers they’ve killed.

Do you think they haven’t thought to use them?

Any other evidence?

www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-fighters-display-israeli-weapons-during-prisoner-exchange-in-gaza/

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 07/06/2025 19:35

AIBUHere · 07/06/2025 19:01

Hamas has stolen IDF weapons and taken them from IDF soldiers they’ve killed.

Do you think they haven’t thought to use them?

Any other evidence?

www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-fighters-display-israeli-weapons-during-prisoner-exchange-in-gaza/

And what about the quadcopters and tanks??

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